Anniversary Episode with Phil Laeger

Thank you for being a part of the More to the Story Community! It has been a blessing to develop this podcast this past year. You will notice a fresh update to our graphics and music. My thanks to Phil Laeger who generously gave, composed, and recorded the More to the Story soundtrack. Also, Phil was my first guest and he comes back for today’s podcast. In this episode I give some reflections and some exciting news about what’s coming. My thanks too to the people who gave testimonials about the podcast, you’ll hear those today as well.

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Transcript

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This is the more to the story podcast with Doctor Andy Miller.

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We hope you guys enjoyed today's conversation.

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Well here we are on the 52nd episode of the more to the story podcast, and I have several things in store for you now.

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You just heard my kickoff music, which has been playing for 52 episodes, and that's the last time you'll hear it.

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Because we have a new graphic and.

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And a new soundtrack, a new intro for all of the podcasts coming forward.

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And that is coming to you from Phil Legger.

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You can find links him, and of course he's coming up later in the podcast, so you'll want to check that out.

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Also, I have several friends who've reached out to me and have recorded short little testimonials of what they've thought of the podcast and what it's meant to them.

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And if you have something you'd like to say, I'd like to include those in upcoming podcasts so you can just find me online and go to Andy Miller.

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3rd com I would love to include if you find one that's particularly.

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Helpful even if you have a subtle critique, I take the.

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But if there's a.

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Particular episode that's been interesting to you that you found.

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Helpful, I'd love to share that.

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Thanks so much for being a part of this community and I'm I'm thankful that God has brought you my listeners into my life and I look forward to sharing this anniversary episode with you.

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Alright, here's the new music.

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Check it out from Phil Legger.

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Doctor Miller I'm very very proud of you even though we haven't met.

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I'm very pleased to say that I've become a raving fan.

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Of your work.

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And I look forward to seeing great things coming.

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From you in.

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The future.

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Let me say that from the promise for the Mortal Story podcast in the Terry first episode.

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I will say.

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To you, my brother, that you have not disappointed.

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I've been there with you most of the way.

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Obviously an older perspective than yours, but I think that you're off to a great start.

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What I heard you say from the very first episode is that we could expect from this podcast an Orthodox Wesleyan worldview that celebrates and raises to significance the idea of the.

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Holy life.

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I'm there with you.

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I loved when you said holiness or love eliminating sin, but we can also expect interviews and basic theological reflection addressing current issues.

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Also, critical thinking, that's one of my big agendas.

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Critical thinking about the governance model of the Salvation Army Army history holding U.S.

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history and church.

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History and that we could also expect an emphasis on the significance of lifelong learning, emphasizing the importance of Christian education.

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Getting the brightest minds to encourage us and using the things that they're saying for the life of the church and our lives.

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Let me say I've been impressed with the caliber of the guest that you've brought on.

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I've also been impressed with your own.

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Commentaries your own thinking.

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I'm impressed with your knowledge and your eagerness for the Salvation Army.

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I appreciate the reflections addressing current issues, but certainly the Orthodox resident worldview is a large part of why I'm here.

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Committed to that worldview, I'm glad you are.

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I'm glad I am and I look forward to hearing more from you.

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And more to the story.

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So what can I say in conclusion, very proud of you.

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Wish you all the best in your endeavors, academic as well as podcasting.

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God bless you my friend.

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Hey Andy, Matt came here hailing all the way from BC Canada I.

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I just wanted to say congratulations on the milestone podcasts.

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52 episodes I think. Keep it up man. It's good stuff. Congratulations, keep stick to the word of God as you do everything here.

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Producing this encouraging content is doctrinally sound.

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I remember that episode you did with Chick Yule, though I think you could have picked them apart a bit more.

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I think you went too easy on him anyway.

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Maybe next time.

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God bless you buddy.

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Take care.

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Hi Andy, just wanting to say congratulations on a year of an incredible podcast.

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More to the story has been such an inspiration.

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It has created some great discussion around important issues of our day.

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Hey, I really appreciate you bringing on people like Matt O'Reilly and Kevin Watson and others who are really helping me see the connection between the Salvation Army and and and and our connection with our our broader Western community.

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You'd be doing a great service to helping broadening.

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My horizons and I really appreciate you and wish you all the best in this next year.

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Well, welcome to the one year anniversary episode of the Mortis Story Podcast.

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Thank you for being a part of this community.

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If you've checked this out, I just want to take some time on this podcast to highlight some of the highlights from this past year.

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We've had a lot of fun with this and I've enjoyed like the interviews I've done.

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The issues I've responded to and today.

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On the podcast I have a special guest coming along and a little shorter interview and it's more of just a conversation with me and Phil Legger.

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You might remember those of you who are long time fans first time callers.

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So long time fans.

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Of Bill Leger was a very first guest and I think our audiences are very similar, not in some of you don't know him at all, and so I'm glad to introduce you to him, particularly my the audience folks who've come along you know interesting now if I I was looking at the stats preparing for this little bit of conversation here that added 104 hundred subscribers.

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And I think people who get.

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It just in this.

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Past year people.

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Who get onto this podcast?

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They're like it's like, become a community that I've loved and I've heard from many of you, and you've signed up for my email list and I appreciate that.

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And there's a.

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There's a lot of things coming out.

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Want to just talk through a few of the things that have been enjoyable to me this year and maybe tell you some of the behind the scenes of some of those things.

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But as we work through this.

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Phil Phil comes on and I'd give a few more announcements on there of things that are coming up.

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You might notice and something I didn't say on my interview with Phil.

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And that he's agreed to write a song for the opening and closing of this podcast.

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Isn't that cool, so I'll have my own song now.

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I'll admit my wife is a fan of the Annie F Downs Podcast, and she's like, You Know, podcast superstar.

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So I, I and I listened to it occasionally too and she had some may, right?

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For that.

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It's my idea.

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I like my music.

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I want to thank Brendan Moore.

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He was a person who helped me kind of put some of the podcast pieces together a year ago and at the same time his wife Sarah is helping me even now put some things together.

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She's done my graphics since January and Ashley Ramsey, Ashley Klemanski, oh I forget her married name.

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Now forgive me actually.

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It's coming off the top of my head.

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She was one who designed the original graphic and she helped me for the first several months, making that happen and advised me understand, it's her voice that's at the very beginning of this first year of podcasts, where she says we hope you guys enjoy this conversation, so that's actually formally Ashley Ramsey who worked at the Salvation Army in Tampa, so we're so thankful for various.

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People come along OK.

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I want to tell you a few things, so you might be able figure this people if you go and you look at my YouTube channel you can probably figure this out, but there's more information about my top podcasts so.

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So my some of my top podcasts were #5.

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Was my interview with Oh my my debate with conversation with Chick Yule where is title like Progressive and Conservative salvationists like in the way that we engage and think about our articles of faith and how that impacts our daily life. So that was number 5 #4 was my response to his talk.

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At the included conference.

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Number three was I might have missed mix.

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I didn't.

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I didn't actually get it pulled up.

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I don't wanna.

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Look at my.

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Screen right now.

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So my interview with Matt Roden, who was a pastor of a large church in Tampa area and now is in the Santa Barbara area and it was him comparing Mega Church and kind of small church world and that that was a great interview then I had.

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My number three was the the conversation I had with Matt Ayers talking about mixed messages in the Salvation Army and other denominations on human sexuality and some of that has come to light even more so in the last week, which I have a growing podcast from last week with Steve Bussey.

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It's not quite in the.

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The top category yet, but it's it's probably headed there because we are addressing some of the challenging issues in our denomination, and with an eye towards all of you who are not in the Salvation Army too, who are dealing with similar issues, then I had my podcast where I worked through some of the challenges that came around the Christmas season with some of the information that came out on a.

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Document called let's talk about.

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Racism and I was just addressing some of that, and I the kind of catchy title, was has the Salvation Army gone.

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Woke and we were just working through kind of some of the challenges in the communication in that period. Then #1 interesting enough was my interview with Keith Boyette, who is the leader of the Global Methodist Church.

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Right now now I might have his title long, but that podcast is maybe it has to do with any way I named it, which is at United Methodism comma.

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What's going on?

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Question mark.

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That was it, and for whatever reason, YouTube has smiled upon that video, and I think it's right. At 6000 on YouTube.

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But my audio podcast, like people don't get to see those numbers as well, so altogether that one is still my number one, but there's several of the audio podcasts that have gone interesting like some.

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So here's an interesting one.

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Even though my interview with Kevin Brown, the President of Aspen University, the YouTube video has not gone very far there.

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For whatever reason, even though very fine looking person.

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Nothing to do with how we look, or maybe how I looked on that, but the audio version of Kevin's interview is pretty high. It might not be the highest, but it's pretty close to it.

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The same thing is true with a few other podcasts.

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For the audio version, maybe it has to do with one person who shared it here or there, so I think.

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That's interesting.

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I think one thing I wanted to give like 2 examples of key moments in my podcast this year that have been helpful for me.

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One was the unexpected appreciation people had for being introduced to Katie.

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Faust in the organization them before us, and I say Katy Faust brought the straight fire on that podcast, and the way she was able to frame, which typically identifies human like family values, issues, abortion, same sex marriage, and like within the context of children and the rights of children.

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Fascinating and I have I've had a lot of.

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People reach out to me consistently for months.

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To talk about.

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How meaningful that podcast was for them and that one is in my top ten, but it's.

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But is it that one is really good?

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And then I'll say my top.

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Moment was with Oz Guinness.

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I'm so honored to have him on.

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I was.

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Pretty nervous some of you guys could probably tell if you listen for a while that I'm trying to stay stay in the right.

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Position here for the camera.

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When I get nervous and that was definitely one of those times where I was wanting to ask the right questions.

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But I asked him the question that I get a lot.

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Well, can't just faithful Christians disagree?

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I mean, can't we just disagree about human sexuality or the authority of Scripture and the like, and he very quickly turned back.

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And I was like pretty stunned.

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I think I talked quickly, but I.

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I was still stunned.

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I was.

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Trying to come say he said faithful, to whom?

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I'm not sure if he said who are faithful to who, but faithful to whom him man that moment.

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Oh my goodness that really caught me off guard in in the sense of like that's the question and he said, are we faithful to the Lord into Scripture?

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So that's the question of what we're faithful to.

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Like what what does it mean to be a faithful Christian and also be like I think that that's what I'm trying to do.

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I want to encourage people in their discipleship.

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You know, their own personal Bible reading and and devotional time and their own spiritual formation, but encourage.

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People to go.

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Deeper theologically and in their study of scripture.

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That's why the study I'm going to talk about in my interview here at Phil of June.

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So important, like I think this is a little book of 25 verses. It's probably one page in your Bible that a lot of people forget about.

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I just want to encourage you to check it out, like to go a little deeper in June.

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That's some of the things I'm trying to offer here in the future.

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So I have some other things coming on if I I don't say this very often, I can't take too many opportunities, but I would love to come.

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If you're looking for somebody to speak at something or share via video.

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I'm available to do that.

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The podcast has been Ave to that Jake Turner.

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Mike and Cindy Dickinson like they're they're people I didn't know and I've become my friends here in the last couple months and they've had me come out to speak at various events.

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I'm headed out to the Eastern Territory to do some things later this later this summer.

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There's been some other opportunities to have come up, so these are these are just ways that the gods use of podcasts in my life.

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I didn't expect this.

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I didn't expect the use in this way, but I'm thankful for opportunity.

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I have to serve you this audience.

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And to do more of this in the future, and also it's offering some resources to church leaders, for instance.

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Like my thing, I know if you've heard me regularly my free resource. It's eight page document with a 45 minute teaching.

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It's available for people. It's five steps to deeper teaching and preaching, and you can find that Andy Miller, thethird.com and like on that.

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Like I'll send that to folks, and I even had somebody contact me if some of you are interested in this, let me know and maybe I can figure out a way that I can put something together or we can offer retreat.

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Uhm, there is somebody asking as a result of seeing that video.

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Dan Fan, Dez, who I appreciate old friend of mine.

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I haven't talked to in a long time about offering like a preaching conference.

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I'm I'm a totally game for that.

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I just to figure out how to make it happen when logistics and that kind of thing, but if I can if I can help with that type of thing let me know.

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So the thus into all the commercials you're going to hear from a few of my friends who have reached out to me with some encouraging words, and they share some things that they've enjoyed about podcasts.

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And my interview with Phil and looking forward to having his his peace kind of come along at some point here and say, oh, I didn't think one very important person.

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I need to think.

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Five important people, but Sarah Moore is coming along, and oh, I did.

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Thank her.

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She helped me with my graphics and she's doing a great job helping with some of the details of the podcast.

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And I need to thank Jeff Bakos.

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Who puts together the video content and he helps me get the audio together.

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He is.

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He's our registrar.

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Here at Wesley Biblical Seminary, so I think Sam and I should be thinking.

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Of course my family, who have been in my chief encourager to the podcast and form our guests.

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So my wife, Abby, who will be celebrating our 20th anniversary here in in two days and then Andy, Titus and Georgia.

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Thank you so much for encouraging me in this and being a part of the more to the story team as the kids say Moto Stove.

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Po motoso Pope.

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That's they they kind of called the podcast sometime I don't.

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It hasn't really caught that much all right, here's a here's the interview with Phil Leger and some words from from Friends of mine.

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God bless you all.

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Thanks for being a part of the.

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Mortise story podcast.

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Well hi, this is the rest of the Miller family.

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I'm Abby.

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I'm Georgia, I'm Titus.

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And I'm Andy and.

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This is bolt.

This little guy up.

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Here is lepiej.

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And we just want to say congratulations to them or to the story podcast for completing one whole year.

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And and we have been praying for this podcast.

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I feel like we've been on the prayer support team and a few moments where we're like what's going to happen.

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How is this going to work out?

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But we keep asking God to use it and direct it and we're proud of Andy.

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Right out of.

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Y'all's dad for doing this.

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As in our dad, not as in.

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This city this.

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Is the 4th?

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Yeah, there's a few handies.

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In our house.

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Hey, my name.

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Is Joe bruckshaw?

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I'm from Perth, Australia and I wanted to say to Andy Miller.

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Thank you for your more to the story podcast.

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I want to thank you for the way that you dive deep into complex theological issues.

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I thank you for the guests that you bring onto your program the way that you carefully and with compassion seek to find out what their perspective is on the issues that you're presenting.

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I want to thank you for the way that you dive deep into the Bible and that you.

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Present from your Salvation Army background what it is that is important theologically to Christians.

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And so I want to say thank you today for the way that you present this podcast.

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It has been so helpful to me when I'm looking into some of the deeper issues of our faith and the the challenges of our.

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World and I found it so helpful to me to be able to refer back to to a podcast that you have done and find some support and some answers potentially to the issues that I'm looking into.

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So thank you and God bless you, and I wish you many, many more podcasts to come and many more.

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Issues that are dealt with biblically and with a pastoral heart.

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So thank you Andy.

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God bless you mate.

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Hey I am captain amber Mayo.

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I am a Salvation Army officer currently serving in Vera Beach, Florida headed to Memphis, TN to be a Salvation Army Adult rehabilitation center.

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Administrador I've appreciated the way that he challenges our denomination in a godly and loving way and encourages his listeners to think critically about things.

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My favorite episode to date, Andy.

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Podcast with Steve.

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Just recently talking about theological faithfulness, doctrinal faithfulness, congratulations.

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Andy on one year.

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Here with the Model Story podcast and I look forward to many, many more episodes of your podcast.

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It's been a blessing to me and I would just like to say that it's been a blessing to many young salvationists who are trying to flesh out these ideas and.

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Figure out where they stand and congratulations, keep it up.

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We'll keep listening, thanks.

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Well here we are on the anniversary episode of the more to the story podcast.

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And when this thing started a year ago, the same guy was on this show with me.

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So Phil.

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Welcome to the show.

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Thanks man, thank you for having me back.

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Uh, I took you a whole year, but I'm not.

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It's OK.

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I'm not offended.

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And congratulations then.

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I don't, I don't know.

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If I have many people on.

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Twice so a couple a couple OK alright.

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OK, OK all right.

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But you're every year.

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That softens the blow, just.

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That softens the blow, just a.

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Little bit, that's good.

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You're guaranteed a yearly interview from me, I promise.

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Congratulations man, this and this is you.

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You have done so many different topics.

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Over the past.

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Year and most of them I agree with you about your conclusions on them.

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So I'm gonna keep listening.

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OK, good most of them I know I.

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Know we have.

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A little trouble with the India gram.

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Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.

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Well, it's it's not me.

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It's I.

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I interviewed somebody there I'm I'm probably leaning toward Christburg view, but I don't judge anybody because you call yourself a number.

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Sure, sure we are all more than a number that that's definitely for sure.

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Whatever you standing on the ideogram we were more than just.

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A number Amen, but it's been fine.

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It was a fun thing to be able to put those out and I appreciate you you little notes of encouragement along the way.

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It's been nice to have that, and you know, last year we were we were both in different places.

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I was in Tampa.

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I was still serving to the salvation.

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Army officer you were.

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I think coming from like trying to find a quiet place at camp and Camp Tecumseh in New Jersey, right?

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That's right, yeah, we moved and and we we were there up until November of last year and then we moved.

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From you know the Northeast back to where I'm originally from the South.

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We moved.

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OK.

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Mount Juliet, TN, which is just a little bit outside of Nashville.

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And yeah.

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So what's going on there?

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I'm sure a lot of my folks like you know.

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Are interested like.

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I think you know how this goes.

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Several of us are such big fans of yours, Phil that we just think like there's no reason you shouldn't be winning a Grammy or any number of things like we just think.

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Now you're in Nashville.

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Every will discover you I hope.

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Please have you what?

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What's this?

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What's going on?

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Like tell me what's more to the story of why you fill.

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In this family going there.

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You're very, you're very encouraging.

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Thank you for that.

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I I would I would I take a Grammy.

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Somebody wants to give me a Grammy.

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That's fine, I don't think that anything I've released yet is worthy of Grammy status, but I I kind of moved here hoping to connect with more songwriters.

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And not necessarily performing, although I do perform as well, but I love to write.

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OK.

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You know, that's my heart is writing.

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I just love writing and you know, if Tim McGraw or some other big country artist wants to write one of my songs, that would be.

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Amazing but I I.

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Moved here with Sarah, you know, for many reasons.

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We'd always thought about Nashville for some of the things you just talked about.

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Some yeah, great Music City.

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But my my wife always wanted to branch out.

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Last year she started her YouTube business where she's flipping furniture.

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Right?

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She has custom furniture and have a YouTube channel. ** ***** she's getting up there, she's aren't. Yes, she's on her way to 10,000 subscribers, so go check her out. It's 4:45.

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And very successfully right?

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I mean she's got huge YouTube.

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Designs is our YouTube channel, if you.

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Want to check it out?

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Yes, and we deliver furniture too.

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So if you.

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Find a piece.

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And you want it delivered, you just.

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You just let me know.

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OK, I'll I'll drive it to your.

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Front door so.

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You're the delivery service.

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But yeah, she's she's.

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She's doing that and I I'm I'm writing I'm.

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I'm producing an album for a friend.

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Uhm, what else am I doing?

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Uh, yeah, you know how?

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Email goes with freelance musicians we.

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Just do a bit of this and a bit of that.

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I'll be on the road this summer doing some backyard.

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We talked before we started doing some backyard worship nights, OK?

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Like you said, like my backyard, if if I was able to afford to bring you in, you come in my backyard.

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I don't know if you want to go.

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Yeah, I ardent absolutely and you could.

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You could definitely forward me.

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Oh can OK.

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I I haven't won any, I haven't.

Speaker 11

Won any Grammys yet so?

Speaker 11

You could definitely afford me.

Speaker 11

No, I I just.

Speaker 11

I just had this thought and I mentioned to Sarah she said yeah, it's a great idea.

Speaker 11

Once you put on Facebook and see what people think and I I just love the thought of of worshipping.

Speaker 11

People in their backyard, whether it's a you.

Speaker 11

Know a whole.

Speaker 11

Church community or or just friends neighborhood yeah.

Speaker 11

Something about.

Speaker 11

You know, I've I've done performances and those are fine, but there's just something about gathering community and and just and and, you know, kicking off your shoes let you know.

Speaker 11

I think it it erases some of those.

Speaker 11

Barriers between stage and audience, you know?

Speaker 11

And yes, you.

Speaker 11

Can sort of gather and and and be free.

Speaker 11

And, you know, holy Holy Spirit can do it a lot with those times, I think.

Speaker 11

You know where?

Speaker 11

It's just those informal real real life.

Speaker 11

You know.

Speaker 11

Sometimes in church you know that this is a pastor.

Speaker 11

You can get there.

Speaker 11

There can be that separation.

Speaker 11

You know what goes on stage and what goes on in the audience in the congregation.

Speaker 11

And I'm sorry not audience congregation.

Speaker 11

Yeah, but with the backyard thing, you just have a chance.

Speaker 11

To you know, worship together and be really formal and people let their guard down more and.

Speaker 11

I think that's where some magic can happen, so I'm hoping for that this summer I've got a few people in New York area and Midwest and out West, and if any of your listeners are interested in reaching out to me and I'll be happy to entertain that too.

Speaker 1

I love the, you know, Rend Collective had an album like a uh, like a fireside album or something where they recorded out around a fire.

Speaker 1

And I just the image of that was appealing to me of people being around in community sharing something about being in a circle together.

Speaker 1

I I have something come on podcast later this summer, he's invented as a founder of a board game company and it's keymaster games.

Speaker 11

OK.

Speaker 1

Interesting and Kyle Keys his name.

Speaker 1

And he finally got to play.

Speaker 1

So like what he was trying to do was the goal of the game is to get people around.

Speaker 1

The table, and that's what he that's his.

Speaker 11

OK.

Speaker 1

That's his mission to get people around the table, and he uses to make that happen, and so that I don't mean to spoil it too much, but it took me a while to get to them, but the mission was after we.

Speaker 11

Yeah wow.

Speaker 1

Heard this really interesting story.

Speaker 1

But like for you to be in this.

Speaker 1

Place where you're.

Speaker 1

Going to get people maybe around a campfire, but in a backyard you're trying to break down.

Speaker 1

Some barriers 'cause there's something like you said magic can happen like I think God the Holy Spirit is at work uniquely.

Speaker 1

When the community comes together, like in it may be a informal space.

Speaker 11

Back, yeah, I think so, you know.

Speaker 11

As somebody who doesn't have any normal job, you know as I don't go to a desk and sit at a desk, it's taken me.

Speaker 11

I don't think.

Speaker 11

A lot of creatives are like this.

Speaker 11

It takes you a while to figure out what your purpose is.

Speaker 11

Is to hone in, especially if you're if you're a freelancing artist like myself, to to really just, you know I don't clock in.

Speaker 11

I'm really asking, OK?

Speaker 11

Uh, what do I do?

Speaker 11

How do I contribute to the world and meet in a meaningful way with the gifts I have?

Speaker 11

You know, worship is a, it's it's what the Lord has made me to do.

Speaker 11

Worship and and getting specifically getting other people to worship.

Speaker 11

And you know my my my, we've talked about this before, but my goal is a congregational worship leaders.

Speaker 11

Always so that I can be able to step back away from the mic and I think you know to hear the people praise God.

Speaker 11

That that's my goal.

Speaker 11

And what better way to do that than in a backyard, you know?

Speaker 11

So and I'm I, I'm excited.

Speaker 11

I really am excited about the the just I can you know can hear people worshipping already in my head so I'm yeah I'm excited about that what about you man?

Speaker 11

You you've done quite a bit as well since since you first started this podcast.

Speaker 1

Yeah, it's been an interesting journey like I would.

Speaker 1

People might have heard me say a few times.

Speaker 1

That I had this podcast called Captain Corner, and when Abby I announced that we were leaving Officership, several people reached out to me about a dozen.

Speaker 1

That just said, hey keep that going.

Speaker 1

Keep that going so so.

Speaker 1

I started to.

Speaker 1

Feel out like would there be an interest?

Speaker 1

Would people really want me to keep doing this?

Speaker 1

And so I did, and you were my first interview and at that point I met with a guy named Graham Cochrane and I'm encouraged, people look.

Speaker 1

Him up, he was somebody you might have even heard.

Speaker 1

I don't know like he.

Speaker 1

As a audio engineering background and he went to a church plant in Tampa and he, his daughter and my daughter were friends who went to a birthday party together and and I don't know if you've been in those kind of awkward situations where you're after a birthday party or just sharing with somebody with your kids playing and I asked him what he did and he's like I'm a you tuber.

Speaker 1

Just like you know Sarah, it's like interesting, so like OK, this first time I've ever had that, but it turns out like so he came to plan a church and he was, I think, like on food stamps and like had a part time job and he made a couple of videos for his for some friends on how to do some things with church audio.

Speaker 11

Yeah, I've heard of grammar talking yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1

And then he made some recording.

Speaker 1

Oh, you've heard of him?

Speaker 11

Yeah yeah Marty, Marty, our mutual friend.

Speaker 11

Marty Michael put him on to me is a big big fan.

Speaker 11

Yeah Oh yeah.

Speaker 1

Audio revolution or something? Yep.

Speaker 1

So anyways, he's uh.

Speaker 1

I don't know anything about why he does it.

Speaker 1

Audio stuff, but.

Speaker 1

He's he now has a New York Times bestselling book.

Speaker 1

On on how to get paid for what you know.

Speaker 1

And so I met with him and he developed this audience.

Speaker 1

He wasn't even.

Speaker 1

I don't think even trying at first he was just and people liked what he was sharing and he was just sharing what was like real basic for him.

Speaker 1

And then he just developed it more and more.

Speaker 1

So I met with him.

Speaker 1

And I kind of I was a little embarrassed about my podcasts.

Speaker 1

Like yeah, I'm keeping going at at the time.

Speaker 1

My biggest podcast was with Israel Gayther and it was like 800 downloads and I said that kind of sheepishly. He's like man, that's good.

Speaker 1

And he said, what do you average?

Speaker 1

And I forget what, and so he he just kind of asked me a few things real quick.

Speaker 1

He's like yo, you've got audience.

Speaker 1

You've got a real audience like and I think.

Speaker 1

The the kind of.

Speaker 1

Subscriber rate that I thought I had was.

Speaker 1

Something like.

Speaker 1

At that time 70 maybe, maybe, like in sometimes it would drop to 50 and they they can't tell that.

Speaker 1

If you ever.

Speaker 1

Do a podcast like they don't really know how many people are subscribed.

Speaker 1

So as I was describing what I was doing, he's like, well, let's get together.

Speaker 1

So I bought him lunch.

Speaker 1

He didn't need me to buy him lunch because I've learned he's makes over $1,000,000 a year on his YouTube videos. Various things.

Speaker 1

But and I bought him lunch so I could talk to.

Speaker 1

And so he gave me a couple of quick tips.

Speaker 1

I signed up for one of his classes and and I just realized that here.

Speaker 1

Here's what, like with the podcast like I knew I was.

Speaker 1

I I love theological education like I love what I'm doing.

Speaker 1

Teaching preaching theology, leading and faculty.

Speaker 1

All that sort of stuff.

Speaker 1

Designing curriculum.

Speaker 1

This is I made great place for me there and.

Speaker 1

I love preaching, but I love my audience like I love these group of people that not everybody in my audience and I'm not like kicking anybody out.

Speaker 1

But I realize there's a group of people who like the way that I interact with people they like some of the.

Speaker 1

Things I have to say.

Speaker 1

And I'm I'm pretty bold, willing to get out and ask people who I'm intimidated by to come on my podcast and willing to debate some things.

Speaker 1

And I honestly like this year has been a unique thing for me because I've had the opportunity to serve this group of people who I love, and so I think that's what's kind of fun.

Speaker 1

For me it's like I get I get every week I get thank you notes from people all over the.

Speaker 1

World, particularly in our denomination, which we both love and you know, there's some challenges theologically and so as people are working through that they appreciate me coming at this from a Orthodox evangelical Wesleyan tradition.

Speaker 1

And I know there's a lot of.

Speaker 1

Words and describe them.

Speaker 11

No no no I.

Speaker 11

Mean I I would I I would agree I I love being part of your audience and I think that the things that you talk.

Speaker 11

Talk about.

Speaker 11

Some people are talking about anyway, you know, and I one thing I appreciated about what I know.

Speaker 11

You recently had a conversation with Steve Busey about you.

Speaker 11

Guys covered a bunch of.

Speaker 11

A bunch of things that you talked about how a small a small group of people can really influence the the you know.

Speaker 11

The conversation the the discourse that happens and can really influence a whole organization, denomination.

Speaker 11

Even so.

Speaker 11

I mean, I think it's important that that you have the ability to to speak, you know.

Speaker 11

Which, like Orthodox Wesleyan elanjikal perspective on on these things.

Speaker 11

I mean, that's important, because there are definitely other voices out there there that are.

Speaker 11

Not not speaking those things.

Speaker 11

So yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1

Yeah, it's interesting.

Speaker 1

Like even today I got.

Speaker 1

I mean, there's there's people who are discouraged by what they see happening in certain places, and maybe it's just like I still affirm that the kind of the core center of what makes up most evangelical denominations.

Speaker 1

And I think of those, particularly the holiness tradition like.

Speaker 1

Nazarene Wesleyan, like in the Salvation Army like a very kind of this.

Speaker 1

Pure model that's connected to whatever their statement of faith is, but I had somebody write me today like there's there's folks.

Speaker 1

I mean, this is a I'm not going to identify who it was, but in another country I don't even say what country they're like.

Speaker 1

People are using the rainbow flag.

Speaker 1

In exchange of the Salvation Army flag and enrolling people as members of you know our denomination under that flag, right?

Speaker 1

Maybe maybe you know about tonight stuff and it's just like, Oh my goodness, like now, look I.

Speaker 1

I I we want to have as loving as a postures we can't and Phil you do a great job at that like I want to make sure people know I'm in for a conversation.

Speaker 1

I'm into working through our hurt tablets and hang ups and all those type of things but at the same time like we have a foundation for that and and for me that starts with the first article of faith.

Speaker 11

Yeah, absolutely yeah.

Speaker 11

Yeah, I'm with you and I think the key and I think.

Speaker 11

You you do this really well?

Speaker 11

Any is is is humility right?

Speaker 11

I mean people want us to be.

Speaker 11

I mean people on any issue that you think about want us to be rigid.

Speaker 11

They want us to.

Speaker 11

Be, you know.

Speaker 11

Which side are you on?

Speaker 11

You know 10 more side and.

Speaker 11

These are the you know and.

Speaker 11

Think you know?

Speaker 11

It's not the way I see Jesus going about his life, you know?

Speaker 11

He he is the truth.

Speaker 11

And yet, when he's talking with people, he disagrees that you know he's just walking, humbly, you know, and I think you do a good job of humbly asking the questions and and humbly saying, this is what I believe you know.

Speaker 11

And this is what?

Speaker 11

The Lord has revealed to all of us through Scripture, and this is where I stand on it.

Speaker 11

I don't agree with you.

Speaker 11

I love you, but this is where I I stand, yeah.

Speaker 1

Man, I'm going to take a little.

Speaker 1

I'm going to record that and I'm.

Speaker 1

Going to make.

Speaker 1

A separate YouTube video just for that.

Speaker 1

So when people send me the and I got a few of them this past weekend, I'll I'll send them that still linger, says Blink Blink.

And this.

Speaker 1

I appreciate it.

Speaker 11

I I don't know.

Speaker 11

If people will know who's still at your house or care what he?

Speaker 11

Says, but sure, use it however you want to.

Speaker 1

So, well, what what's happening?

Speaker 1

Like you have a a few things happening in with all the freelance source stuff you're doing.

Speaker 1

I want actually before I get to that I want to hear like maybe long term.

Speaker 1

Kind of things that.

Speaker 1

You're doing.

Speaker 1

But you, Steve and I talked about something last week that was interesting.

Speaker 1

We had this situation where the Salvation Army.

Speaker 1

The UK is, possibly, you know, encouraging people to move away from language that might be offensive, and I'm all about like making sure that we're clear on the front like we marketing helped us get in with folks, but there was this.

Speaker 1

Challenge with saying well the words blood and fire don't really connect anymore and Steve had an interesting point.

Speaker 1

He's like the words blood and fire never connected and and then it's just not in Rome, not in the Reformation, not in the 19th century with William and Catherine Booth and you and I fell on something last last year in the very first episode.

Speaker 1

Where we looked at your song I surrender my life to your blood and there's something to that to that language that's so important and I just don't think we should give it up.

Speaker 11

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 11

Listen, I just first of all, if you're watching this, go back and listen.

Speaker 11

You haven't watched that.

Speaker 11

You guys, 'cause I think that you guys really you tackled why it's important you know to have this conversation and why it's important to be true to our Lord, to the word.

Speaker 11

I I the the term blood in the terms is blood in fire.

Speaker 11

I was just a mission to you this see before we hopped on the term blood and fire you know I was reading in John 6 today about about Jesus.

Speaker 11

And how come he?

Speaker 1

Talk about something that doesn't fit in with culture.

Speaker 11

He said unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood, you have no part in me, and he was talking to his disciples.

Speaker 11

Larger group.

Speaker 11

Of people who were following him, you know?

Speaker 11

So it was out in how the open.

Speaker 11

He's not telling a secret message to anybody coded inside inside her language.

Speaker 11

He's like saying unless you eat my flesh and drink.

Speaker 11

I'm glad you have no part in me.

Speaker 11

I I agree actually and I said this to several people.

Speaker 11

I agree with the need to reevaluate what we say to people to make.

Speaker 11

Sure, it's coming across.

Speaker 11

But you know, maybe part of that conversation is just talking about our motivations, you know, and having honest conversations in community about what's our motivations.

Speaker 11

Or do we just want to soften it?

Speaker 11

You know, so we don't lose our donors or.

Speaker 11

Umm, that that that even sounds harsh coming.

Speaker 11

I don't mean that.

Speaker 11

I'm just saying what's what's the motivation for it.

Speaker 11

And maybe that can only.

Is it going?

Speaker 1

To win people to.

Speaker 1

I mean, if that's the goal, I'm willing to go there for a.

Speaker 1

Little bit.

Speaker 1

Sure, the same thing is true with the you know one of the channels you talked about the orange curriculum, but some people sent me.

Speaker 1

Some resources and I looked at him and there's.

Speaker 1

Not mentioned there.

Speaker 1

Might be a a vague mention of brokenness.

Speaker 1

But not sin, not hell, not heaven, it's.

Speaker 1

I'm willing to talk through that like I.

Speaker 1

Teach I I teach eschatology here like I'm glad to talk through options that people have dealt with across the years.

Speaker 1

Philosophically, biblically about the afterlife, like I'm glad to have that conversation.

Speaker 1

But we have a starting point, and I'm I'm OK to not like call people sinners, but.

Speaker 1

At some point we need to.

Speaker 1

Talk about sin and.

Speaker 1

Not just broken this.

Speaker 11

Sure, absolutely 100%. It's interesting to there's another Miller, another doctor Miller, who's written. You know, I'm I've.

Speaker 11

We've talked about this.

Speaker 11

Yeah he.

Speaker 11

He's written in the case.

Speaker 11

Nobody because people don't think I'm talking about your brother.

Speaker 11

Nathan has, is, and he's I don't.

Speaker 11

I don't know.

Speaker 11

His position is at Asbury.

Speaker 11

He's the.

Speaker 1

He is some director of orchestra and music professor of ecology.

You should know this.

Speaker 11

She was you're you're you're his brother.

Speaker 1

He's professor, assistant associate professor.

Speaker 1

How about that?

Speaker 11

Well, he's his.

Speaker 11

I'm reading his dissertation 'cause I have a great interest in music and the Salvation Army, but it also deals with some other stuff about.

Speaker 1

Right?

Speaker 11

How like, even from the very beginning you know we've had this dual?

Speaker 11

What are we?

Speaker 11

You know, we have this messaging to the public and then we have the messaging to our people and your brother talks about the way that that was sort of intentional to let people take what they would from you know, and and I'm I'm reading his dissertation and I write in the sidelines.

Speaker 11

I highlight it now.

Speaker 11

Right is this duplicitous?

Speaker 11

Is this is this duplicitous messaging?

Speaker 11

What does it mean to have different different messages for different audiences?

Speaker 11

I guess in some.

Speaker 11

Ways you could look at.

Speaker 11

Call and say.

Speaker 11

He's in the area up against the apostle Paul is in the area because he's a he's a thing to an unknown God.

Speaker 11

He's he's a I see.

Speaker 11

You're very religious and he contextualises that you know he preaches you know I'm preaching to the choir here.

Speaker 1

Yeah yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 11

But then you know.

Speaker 11

But then he eventually gets to Jesus Christ being crucified and resurrected from the dead, and that you know.

Speaker 11

So he has a point where he's.

Speaker 11

Going and he's he's leading people.

Speaker 11

He's not completely abandoning the message right, right?

Speaker 11

So I guess maybe maybe that's part of the conversation is.

Speaker 11

Where is it going?

Speaker 11

You know, do we say we're doing this because we want to introduce people to Jesus and get something to talk about their sin and realize their need for a savior?

Speaker 11

Or are we just doing?

Speaker 11

This to so you know, are we moving away from?

Speaker 11

You guys probably covered all.

Speaker 11

Of that in your, in, in, in your in your talks.

Speaker 1

So yeah, we we have a well in.

Speaker 1

Actually people are interested but my brother is saying I do have a podcast interview with him about his dissertation.

Speaker 1

If you go to my website on the.

Speaker 1

Uh, media tab.

Speaker 1

You can find a link to it, but it was one of his captains corner.

Speaker 1

It was when he had just finished it and you'll see our it's hard to distinguish us.

Speaker 1

Some people can't distinguish our voices, and that's kind of fun.

Speaker 1

Every now this yeah.

Speaker 1

But anyways, yeah, he talks through some of those those points in nationalism too, and even the point I brought up about people using the gay gay pride flag.

Speaker 1

Rainbow flag and that's the same type of thing like connected to like his idea of nationalism like what it means that.

Speaker 1

Salvation Army and other denominations might get closest to is a nation in itself.

Speaker 1

Now there is that that gets some challenges too because of the way nationalism.

Speaker 1

Tends to be a tool within our within the Academy.

Speaker 1

That is, you know, not favorable SAT nathans approach.

Speaker 1

But anyhow, yeah.

Speaker 1

No, that's another story that's so good.

Speaker 1

OK, so Phil, we don't know what what's your.

Speaker 1

Here's a random question.

Speaker 1

Like if if you had to get on a stage if we got if I got if you got invited.

Speaker 1

Somewhere to Grand Ole Opry at.

Speaker 1

Night and they said we need you get 4 minutes.

Speaker 1

Do one of your pieces.

Speaker 1

What is it?

Speaker 1

What are you gonna?

Speaker 11

Do well, talk about contextualization, and on the Grand Ole Opry it used to be much more.

Speaker 11

You know solely a country venue.

Speaker 11

Now all different kinds of artists pass through there, but you know, I I've written a few songs that could be a song called Carolina Girl for my Mother.

Speaker 11

Oh yeah, pretty close.

Speaker 11

close to a country song.

Speaker 11

I might do that one.

Speaker 1

OK, whatever you went to The Tonight Show.

Speaker 11

Ah, well, I've got a song I'm I've got some songs I'm working on right now that are.

Speaker 1

All good salesman let us know it's coming.

Speaker 1

We want to buy it it.

Speaker 11

Well, here's the thing.

Speaker 11

As you, as anybody who knows me for more than five minutes, will know I have many ideas and I'm great at starting things.

Speaker 11

My problem is actually.

Speaker 11

Finishing them so I've been working on an album for.

Speaker 11

Different members of my family for probably five years now, and it's just dumb.

Speaker 11

I missed our 20th anniversary.

Speaker 11

My wife and I was this past April.

Speaker 11

So, uhm, I missed the deadline to get it out by then, but I'm hoping by the end of this year.

Speaker 11

To have another album so.

Speaker 12

The best thing to do?

Speaker 11

Is just go to later.

Speaker 11

Net and sign up for my newsletter so.

Speaker 1

There you go.

Speaker 1

That sounds good.

Speaker 1

Well, yeah, you know, Abby Knight.

Speaker 1

We're getting dark 20th anniversary in two days.

Speaker 1

So we I don't think I realized that that yeah, yeah university.

Speaker 11

Oh wow, congratulations man.

Speaker 11

Happy you too.

Speaker 1

2002

Speaker 11

20 years is a long time, it's a.

Speaker 11

Big deal, yeah?

Speaker 1

Yeah, well, it's so good.

Speaker 1

Thanks Phil for taking time right?

Speaker 1

So would be fun and and look, you know I should get things going.

Speaker 1

Like I would be glad to have you back.

Speaker 1

More than once.

Speaker 1

A year, you know, to to talk through some different and even as you respond to some things that I'm talking about something as a couple of news.

Speaker 1

Or if you have something to share, I think I think the people who are my audio.

Speaker 1

It's they're your fans for sure.

Speaker 1

I think a good chunk of them.

Speaker 1

I would love you to keep on connecting me to them.

Speaker 1

If I can.

Speaker 11

Yeah good yeah, I'm happy to be on and talk about anything and and don't forget to send me I.

Speaker 11

Don't know you need to.

Speaker 11

Do a plug for your thing.

Speaker 11

You got coming out on Jude because I asked you to send me an email about it and you haven't sent me an email yet, so.

Speaker 1

Oh man, you got me OK so yeah here it's coming and I I didn't even remind you to do that.

Speaker 1

That's thanks for saying it.

Speaker 1

Uhm, yes, so I've presented this material on Jude five Times Now, and I've refined it, and I've found that this idea, that kind of the context of.

Speaker 1

Jude is in verse four.

Speaker 1

It says a group of people have secretly slipped in.

Speaker 1

Those are.

Speaker 1

That's a translation from an Ivy who are leading the people towards antinomianism.

Speaker 1

Like it's living as if God grace is just a license to do whatever they want and he calls him to contend for the faith and then he goes on to contend for the faith once for all delivered to the Saints.

Speaker 1

I mean, this is like a message toward this same thing that I'm trying to talk about in.

Speaker 1

And throughout this podcast, the great conceptual tradition of the church what has been handed down like that's our task is to contend to fight for that faith and what I found in Jude.

Speaker 1

There's all kinds of crazy little stories in there that are from the Apocrypha, from extra non canonical text and they seem.

Speaker 1

Absolutely bananas to our ears. Like if you read through Jude it's like what is going on in this crazy little letter 25 verses.

Speaker 1

But if you get just a little bit behind what those stories are and how it fits into Jude's are.

Speaker 1

Argument I think it speaks incredibly powerfully to our time, particularly the sexual revolution, because most of those situations are dealing with people who are tempted to move away from God.

Speaker 1

Design for sexuality.

Speaker 1

And so I found it to be really powerful.

Speaker 1

Kind of like.

Speaker 1

A foundation from which I can speak into the current cultural situation.

Speaker 1

So this is my next step in the podcast is like, OK, I have this audience.

Speaker 1

I want to serve them better.

Speaker 1

I can keep on putting out a weekly podcast or I I have some people like one of my.

Speaker 1

Sponsors Bill Roberts.

Speaker 1

Do you know Bill?

Speaker 11

I don't think so.

Speaker 1

He's in the east in the Detroit area.

Speaker 1

His parents are Salvation Army officers, and so he he.

Speaker 1

He came in and said, look, I.

Speaker 1

I mean, our small group could use a a Bible study, anything you can put together maybe?

Speaker 1

I mean, I could help you if you need anything to make it happen, and so that was I'm like wow, well, that's a great idea.

Speaker 1

Like I that would help me think.

Speaker 1

Use my time but then.

Speaker 1

I saw I could do Jude and then I've grammed.

Speaker 1

Actually, I took Grim Cochran course on making courses and so I figured out a way that I can package this together so it'll be a resource for people.

Speaker 1

And then I have some extra bonus material.

Speaker 1

Holiness and Jude Genesis six, one through 4.

Speaker 1

It's a crazy passage to that.

Speaker 1

Jude quotes.

Speaker 1

But then now I say crazy.

Speaker 1

It's hard to understand and I try to break it down.

Speaker 1

Eternal Security and Jude all kinds of extra preaching Jude, different bonus things on top of the Bible study.

Speaker 1

But the idea is people should be able to use it in a small group or Sunday school class, or just.

Speaker 1

For their own.

Speaker 1

For their own Bible said themselves, so it's very simple, but in in that it's presentation I don't have like a video crew doing it.

Speaker 1

It's like me in this chair working through the material, but I think it's something that will give me opportunity to offer something to my audience that they might be looking for and to for me not to have to spend a weekend away from my family.

Speaker 1

Could do it.

Speaker 11

Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 11

It's awesome.

Speaker 1

This is coming out in July, thank.

Speaker 1

You for asking.

Speaker 11

Yeah cool yeah yeah awesome man.

Speaker 1

Anything else do you want?

Speaker 1

To talk about or.

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Second bullet legarde.net, right?

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MTTS- Anniversary Edition.mp3

Transcript

Andy

This is the more to the story podcast with Doctor Andy Miller.

Jo B.

We hope you guys enjoyed today's conversation.

Andy

Well here we are on the 52nd episode of the more to the story podcast, and I have several things in store for you now.

Andy

You just heard my kickoff music, which has been playing for 52 episodes, and that's the last time you'll hear it.

Andy

Because we have a new graphic and.

Andy

And a new soundtrack, a new intro for all of the podcasts coming forward.

Andy

And that is coming to you from Phil Legger.

Andy

You can find links him, and of course he's coming up later in the podcast, so you'll want to check that out.

Andy

Also, I have several friends who've reached out to me and have recorded short little testimonials of what they've thought of the podcast and what it's meant to them.

Andy

And if you have something you'd like to say, I'd like to include those in upcoming podcasts so you can just find me online and go to Andy Miller.

Andy

3rd com I would love to include if you find one that's particularly.

Andy

Helpful even if you have a subtle critique, I take the.

Andy

But if there's a.

Andy

Particular episode that's been interesting to you that you found.

Andy

Helpful, I'd love to share that.

Andy

Thanks so much for being a part of this community and I'm I'm thankful that God has brought you my listeners into my life and I look forward to sharing this anniversary episode with you.

Andy

Alright, here's the new music.

Andy

Check it out from Phil Legger.

Dr. Addinngton Coppin

Doctor Miller I'm very very proud of you even though we haven't met.

Dr. Addington Coppon

I'm very pleased to say that I've become a raving fan.

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Of your work.

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And I look forward to seeing great things coming.

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From you in.

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The future.

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Let me say that from the promise for the Mortal Story podcast in the Terry first episode.

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I will say.

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To you, my brother, that you have not disappointed.

Dr. Addington Coppon

I've been there with you most of the way.

Dr. Addington Coppon

Obviously an older perspective than yours, but I think that you're off to a great start.

Dr. Addington Coppon

What I heard you say from the very first episode is that we could expect from this podcast an Orthodox Wesleyan worldview that celebrates and raises to significance the idea of the.

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Holy life.

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I'm there with you.

Dr. Addington Coppon

I loved when you said holiness or love eliminating sin, but we can also expect interviews and basic theological reflection addressing current issues.

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Also, critical thinking, that's one of my big agendas.

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Critical thinking about the governance model of the Salvation Army Army history holding U.S.

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history and church.

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History and that we could also expect an emphasis on the significance of lifelong learning, emphasizing the importance of Christian education.

Dr. Addington Coppon

Getting the brightest minds to encourage us and using the things that they're saying for the life of the church and our lives.

Dr. Addington Coppon

Let me say I've been impressed with the caliber of the guest that you've brought on.

Dr. Addington Coppon

I've also been impressed with your own.

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Commentaries your own thinking.

Dr. Addington Coppon

I'm impressed with your knowledge and your eagerness for the Salvation Army.

Dr. Addington Coppon

I appreciate the reflections addressing current issues, but certainly the Orthodox resident worldview is a large part of why I'm here.

Dr. Addington Coppon

Committed to that worldview, I'm glad you are.

Dr. Addington Coppon

I'm glad I am and I look forward to hearing more from you.

Dr. Addington Coppon

And more to the story.

Dr. Addington Coppon

So what can I say in conclusion, very proud of you.

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Wish you all the best in your endeavors, academic as well as podcasting.

Dr. Addington Coppon

God bless you my friend.

Matt K.

Hey Andy, Matt came here hailing all the way from BC Canada I.

Matt K.

I just wanted to say congratulations on the milestone podcasts.

Matt K.

52 episodes I think. Keep it up man. It's good stuff. Congratulations, keep stick to the word of God as you do everything here.

Matt K.

Producing this encouraging content is doctrinally sound.

Matt K.

I remember that episode you did with Chick Yule, though I think you could have picked them apart a bit more.

Matt K.

I think you went too easy on him anyway.

Matt K.

Maybe next time.

Matt K.

God bless you buddy.

Matt K.

Take care.

Steve

Hi Andy, just wanting to say congratulations on a year of an incredible podcast.

Steve

More to the story has been such an inspiration.

Steve

It has created some great discussion around important issues of our day.

Steve

Hey, I really appreciate you bringing on people like Matt O'Reilly and Kevin Watson and others who are really helping me see the connection between the Salvation Army and and and and our connection with our our broader Western community.

Steve

You'd be doing a great service to helping broadening.

Steve

My horizons and I really appreciate you and wish you all the best in this next year.

Andy

Well, welcome to the one year anniversary episode of the Mortis Story Podcast.

Andy

Thank you for being a part of this community.

Andy

If you've checked this out, I just want to take some time on this podcast to highlight some of the highlights from this past year.

Andy

We've had a lot of fun with this and I've enjoyed like the interviews I've done.

Andy

The issues I've responded to and today.

Andy

On the podcast I have a special guest coming along and a little shorter interview and it's more of just a conversation with me and Phil Legger.

Andy

You might remember those of you who are long time fans first time callers.

Andy

So long time fans.

Andy

Of Bill Leger was a very first guest and I think our audiences are very similar, not in some of you don't know him at all, and so I'm glad to introduce you to him, particularly my the audience folks who've come along you know interesting now if I I was looking at the stats preparing for this little bit of conversation here that added 104 hundred subscribers.

Andy

And I think people who get.

Andy

It just in this.

Andy

Past year people.

Andy

Who get onto this podcast?

Andy

They're like it's like, become a community that I've loved and I've heard from many of you, and you've signed up for my email list and I appreciate that.

Andy

And there's a.

Andy

There's a lot of things coming out.

Andy

Want to just talk through a few of the things that have been enjoyable to me this year and maybe tell you some of the behind the scenes of some of those things.

Andy

But as we work through this.

Andy

Phil Phil comes on and I'd give a few more announcements on there of things that are coming up.

Andy

You might notice and something I didn't say on my interview with Phil.

Andy

And that he's agreed to write a song for the opening and closing of this podcast.

Andy

Isn't that cool, so I'll have my own song now.

Andy

I'll admit my wife is a fan of the Annie F Downs Podcast, and she's like, You Know, podcast superstar.

Andy

So I, I and I listened to it occasionally too and she had some may, right?

Andy

For that.

Andy

It's my idea.

Andy

I like my music.

Andy

I want to thank Brendan Moore.

Andy

He was a person who helped me kind of put some of the podcast pieces together a year ago and at the same time his wife Sarah is helping me even now put some things together.

Andy

She's done my graphics since January and Ashley Ramsey, Ashley Klemanski, oh I forget her married name.

Andy

Now forgive me actually.

Andy

It's coming off the top of my head.

Andy

She was one who designed the original graphic and she helped me for the first several months, making that happen and advised me understand, it's her voice that's at the very beginning of this first year of podcasts, where she says we hope you guys enjoy this conversation, so that's actually formally Ashley Ramsey who worked at the Salvation Army in Tampa, so we're so thankful for various.

Andy

People come along OK.

Andy

I want to tell you a few things, so you might be able figure this people if you go and you look at my YouTube channel you can probably figure this out, but there's more information about my top podcasts so.

Andy

So my some of my top podcasts were #5.

Andy

Was my interview with Oh my my debate with conversation with Chick Yule where is title like Progressive and Conservative salvationists like in the way that we engage and think about our articles of faith and how that impacts our daily life. So that was number 5 #4 was my response to his talk.

Andy

At the included conference.

Andy

Number three was I might have missed mix.

Andy

I didn't.

Andy

I didn't actually get it pulled up.

Andy

I don't wanna.

Andy

Look at my.

Andy

Screen right now.

Andy

So my interview with Matt Roden, who was a pastor of a large church in Tampa area and now is in the Santa Barbara area and it was him comparing Mega Church and kind of small church world and that that was a great interview then I had.

Andy

My number three was the the conversation I had with Matt Ayers talking about mixed messages in the Salvation Army and other denominations on human sexuality and some of that has come to light even more so in the last week, which I have a growing podcast from last week with Steve Bussey.

Andy

It's not quite in the.

Andy

The top category yet, but it's it's probably headed there because we are addressing some of the challenging issues in our denomination, and with an eye towards all of you who are not in the Salvation Army too, who are dealing with similar issues, then I had my podcast where I worked through some of the challenges that came around the Christmas season with some of the information that came out on a.

Andy

Document called let's talk about.

Andy

Racism and I was just addressing some of that, and I the kind of catchy title, was has the Salvation Army gone.

Andy

Woke and we were just working through kind of some of the challenges in the communication in that period. Then #1 interesting enough was my interview with Keith Boyette, who is the leader of the Global Methodist Church.

Andy

Right now now I might have his title long, but that podcast is maybe it has to do with any way I named it, which is at United Methodism comma.

Andy

What's going on?

Andy

Question mark.

Andy

That was it, and for whatever reason, YouTube has smiled upon that video, and I think it's right. At 6000 on YouTube.

Andy

But my audio podcast, like people don't get to see those numbers as well, so altogether that one is still my number one, but there's several of the audio podcasts that have gone interesting like some.

Andy

So here's an interesting one.

Andy

Even though my interview with Kevin Brown, the President of Aspen University, the YouTube video has not gone very far there.

Andy

For whatever reason, even though very fine looking person.

Andy

Nothing to do with how we look, or maybe how I looked on that, but the audio version of Kevin's interview is pretty high. It might not be the highest, but it's pretty close to it.

Andy

The same thing is true with a few other podcasts.

Andy

For the audio version, maybe it has to do with one person who shared it here or there, so I think.

Andy

That's interesting.

Andy

I think one thing I wanted to give like 2 examples of key moments in my podcast this year that have been helpful for me.

Andy

One was the unexpected appreciation people had for being introduced to Katie.

Andy

Faust in the organization them before us, and I say Katy Faust brought the straight fire on that podcast, and the way she was able to frame, which typically identifies human like family values, issues, abortion, same sex marriage, and like within the context of children and the rights of children.

Andy

Fascinating and I have I've had a lot of.

Andy

People reach out to me consistently for months.

Andy

To talk about.

Andy

How meaningful that podcast was for them and that one is in my top ten, but it's.

Andy

But is it that one is really good?

Andy

And then I'll say my top.

Andy

Moment was with Oz Guinness.

Andy

I'm so honored to have him on.

Andy

I was.

Andy

Pretty nervous some of you guys could probably tell if you listen for a while that I'm trying to stay stay in the right.

Andy

Position here for the camera.

Andy

When I get nervous and that was definitely one of those times where I was wanting to ask the right questions.

Andy

But I asked him the question that I get a lot.

Andy

Well, can't just faithful Christians disagree?

Andy

I mean, can't we just disagree about human sexuality or the authority of Scripture and the like, and he very quickly turned back.

Andy

And I was like pretty stunned.

Andy

I think I talked quickly, but I.

Andy

I was still stunned.

Andy

I was.

Andy

Trying to come say he said faithful, to whom?

Andy

I'm not sure if he said who are faithful to who, but faithful to whom him man that moment.

Andy

Oh my goodness that really caught me off guard in in the sense of like that's the question and he said, are we faithful to the Lord into Scripture?

Andy

So that's the question of what we're faithful to.

Andy

Like what what does it mean to be a faithful Christian and also be like I think that that's what I'm trying to do.

Andy

I want to encourage people in their discipleship.

Andy

You know, their own personal Bible reading and and devotional time and their own spiritual formation, but encourage.

Andy

People to go.

Andy

Deeper theologically and in their study of scripture.

Andy

That's why the study I'm going to talk about in my interview here at Phil of June.

Andy

So important, like I think this is a little book of 25 verses. It's probably one page in your Bible that a lot of people forget about.

Andy

I just want to encourage you to check it out, like to go a little deeper in June.

Andy

That's some of the things I'm trying to offer here in the future.

Andy

So I have some other things coming on if I I don't say this very often, I can't take too many opportunities, but I would love to come.

Andy

If you're looking for somebody to speak at something or share via video.

Andy

I'm available to do that.

Andy

The podcast has been Ave to that Jake Turner.

Andy

Mike and Cindy Dickinson like they're they're people I didn't know and I've become my friends here in the last couple months and they've had me come out to speak at various events.

Andy

I'm headed out to the Eastern Territory to do some things later this later this summer.

Andy

There's been some other opportunities to have come up, so these are these are just ways that the gods use of podcasts in my life.

Andy

I didn't expect this.

Andy

I didn't expect the use in this way, but I'm thankful for opportunity.

Andy

I have to serve you this audience.

Andy

And to do more of this in the future, and also it's offering some resources to church leaders, for instance.

Andy

Like my thing, I know if you've heard me regularly my free resource. It's eight page document with a 45 minute teaching.

Andy

It's available for people. It's five steps to deeper teaching and preaching, and you can find that Andy Miller, thethird.com and like on that.

Andy

Like I'll send that to folks, and I even had somebody contact me if some of you are interested in this, let me know and maybe I can figure out a way that I can put something together or we can offer retreat.

Andy

Uhm, there is somebody asking as a result of seeing that video.

Andy

Dan Fan, Dez, who I appreciate old friend of mine.

Andy

I haven't talked to in a long time about offering like a preaching conference.

Andy

I'm I'm a totally game for that.

Andy

I just to figure out how to make it happen when logistics and that kind of thing, but if I can if I can help with that type of thing let me know.

Andy

So the thus into all the commercials you're going to hear from a few of my friends who have reached out to me with some encouraging words, and they share some things that they've enjoyed about podcasts.

Andy

And my interview with Phil and looking forward to having his his peace kind of come along at some point here and say, oh, I didn't think one very important person.

Andy

I need to think.

Andy

Five important people, but Sarah Moore is coming along, and oh, I did.

Andy

Thank her.

Andy

She helped me with my graphics and she's doing a great job helping with some of the details of the podcast.

Andy

And I need to thank Jeff Bakos.

Andy

Who puts together the video content and he helps me get the audio together.

Andy

He is.

Andy

He's our registrar.

Andy

Here at Wesley Biblical Seminary, so I think Sam and I should be thinking.

Andy

Of course my family, who have been in my chief encourager to the podcast and form our guests.

Andy

So my wife, Abby, who will be celebrating our 20th anniversary here in in two days and then Andy, Titus and Georgia.

Andy

Thank you so much for encouraging me in this and being a part of the more to the story team as the kids say Moto Stove.

Andy

Po motoso Pope.

Andy

That's they they kind of called the podcast sometime I don't.

Andy

It hasn't really caught that much all right, here's a here's the interview with Phil Leger and some words from from Friends of mine.

Andy

God bless you all.

Andy

Thanks for being a part of the.

Abby and Kids

Mortise story podcast.

Abby and Kids

Well hi, this is the rest of the Miller family.

Abby and Kids

I'm Abby.

Jo B.

I'm Georgia, I'm Titus.

Andy

And I'm Andy and.

Andy

This is bolt.

This little guy up.

Dr. Addington Coppon

Here is lepiej.

Abby and Kids

And we just want to say congratulations to them or to the story podcast for completing one whole year.

Abby and Kids

And and we have been praying for this podcast.

Abby and Kids

I feel like we've been on the prayer support team and a few moments where we're like what's going to happen.

Abby and Kids

How is this going to work out?

Abby and Kids

But we keep asking God to use it and direct it and we're proud of Andy.

Abby and Kids

Right out of.

Abby and Kids

Y'all's dad for doing this.

Chris D

As in our dad, not as in.

Chris D

This city this.

Abby and Kids

Is the 4th?

Abby and Kids

Yeah, there's a few handies.

Abby and Kids

In our house.

Jo B.

Hey, my name.

Jo B.

Is Joe bruckshaw?

Jo B.

I'm from Perth, Australia and I wanted to say to Andy Miller.

Jo B.

Thank you for your more to the story podcast.

Jo B.

I want to thank you for the way that you dive deep into complex theological issues.

Jo B.

I thank you for the guests that you bring onto your program the way that you carefully and with compassion seek to find out what their perspective is on the issues that you're presenting.

Jo B.

I want to thank you for the way that you dive deep into the Bible and that you.

Jo B.

Present from your Salvation Army background what it is that is important theologically to Christians.

Jo B.

And so I want to say thank you today for the way that you present this podcast.

Jo B.

It has been so helpful to me when I'm looking into some of the deeper issues of our faith and the the challenges of our.

Jo B.

World and I found it so helpful to me to be able to refer back to to a podcast that you have done and find some support and some answers potentially to the issues that I'm looking into.

Jo B.

So thank you and God bless you, and I wish you many, many more podcasts to come and many more.

Jo B.

Issues that are dealt with biblically and with a pastoral heart.

Jo B.

So thank you Andy.

Jo B.

God bless you mate.

Amber Meo

Hey I am captain amber Mayo.

Amber Meo

I am a Salvation Army officer currently serving in Vera Beach, Florida headed to Memphis, TN to be a Salvation Army Adult rehabilitation center.

Amber Meo

Administrador I've appreciated the way that he challenges our denomination in a godly and loving way and encourages his listeners to think critically about things.

Amber Meo

My favorite episode to date, Andy.

Amber Meo

Podcast with Steve.

Amber Meo

Just recently talking about theological faithfulness, doctrinal faithfulness, congratulations.

Amber Meo

Andy on one year.

Amber Meo

Here with the Model Story podcast and I look forward to many, many more episodes of your podcast.

Amber Meo

It's been a blessing to me and I would just like to say that it's been a blessing to many young salvationists who are trying to flesh out these ideas and.

Amber Meo

Figure out where they stand and congratulations, keep it up.

Amber Meo

We'll keep listening, thanks.

Andy

Well here we are on the anniversary episode of the more to the story podcast.

Andy

And when this thing started a year ago, the same guy was on this show with me.

Andy

So Phil.

Andy

Welcome to the show.

Phil Laeger

Thanks man, thank you for having me back.

Phil Laeger

Uh, I took you a whole year, but I'm not.

Phil Laeger

It's OK.

Phil Laeger

I'm not offended.

Phil Laeger

And congratulations then.

Andy

I don't, I don't know.

Andy

If I have many people on.

Andy

Twice so a couple a couple OK alright.

Phil Laeger

OK, OK all right.

Andy

But you're every year.

Phil Laeger

That softens the blow, just.

Phil Laeger

That softens the blow, just a.

Phil Laeger

Little bit, that's good.

Andy

You're guaranteed a yearly interview from me, I promise.

Phil Laeger

Congratulations man, this and this is you.

Phil Laeger

You have done so many different topics.

Phil Laeger

Over the past.

Phil Laeger

Year and most of them I agree with you about your conclusions on them.

Phil Laeger

So I'm gonna keep listening.

Andy

OK, good most of them I know I.

Andy

Know we have.

Andy

A little trouble with the India gram.

Phil Laeger

Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.

Andy

Well, it's it's not me.

Andy

It's I.

Andy

I interviewed somebody there I'm I'm probably leaning toward Christburg view, but I don't judge anybody because you call yourself a number.

Phil Laeger

Sure, sure we are all more than a number that that's definitely for sure.

Phil Laeger

Whatever you standing on the ideogram we were more than just.

Andy

A number Amen, but it's been fine.

Andy

It was a fun thing to be able to put those out and I appreciate you you little notes of encouragement along the way.

Andy

It's been nice to have that, and you know, last year we were we were both in different places.

Andy

I was in Tampa.

Andy

I was still serving to the salvation.

Andy

Army officer you were.

Andy

I think coming from like trying to find a quiet place at camp and Camp Tecumseh in New Jersey, right?

Phil Laeger

That's right, yeah, we moved and and we we were there up until November of last year and then we moved.

Phil Laeger

From you know the Northeast back to where I'm originally from the South.

Phil Laeger

We moved.

Andy

OK.

Phil Laeger

Mount Juliet, TN, which is just a little bit outside of Nashville.

Phil Laeger

And yeah.

Andy

So what's going on there?

Andy

I'm sure a lot of my folks like you know.

Andy

Are interested like.

Andy

I think you know how this goes.

Andy

Several of us are such big fans of yours, Phil that we just think like there's no reason you shouldn't be winning a Grammy or any number of things like we just think.

Andy

Now you're in Nashville.

Andy

Every will discover you I hope.

Andy

Please have you what?

Andy

What's this?

Andy

What's going on?

Andy

Like tell me what's more to the story of why you fill.

Andy

In this family going there.

Phil Laeger

You're very, you're very encouraging.

Phil Laeger

Thank you for that.

Phil Laeger

I I would I would I take a Grammy.

Phil Laeger

Somebody wants to give me a Grammy.

Phil Laeger

That's fine, I don't think that anything I've released yet is worthy of Grammy status, but I I kind of moved here hoping to connect with more songwriters.

Phil Laeger

And not necessarily performing, although I do perform as well, but I love to write.

Andy

OK.

Phil Laeger

You know, that's my heart is writing.

Phil Laeger

I just love writing and you know, if Tim McGraw or some other big country artist wants to write one of my songs, that would be.

Phil Laeger

Amazing but I I.

Phil Laeger

Moved here with Sarah, you know, for many reasons.

Phil Laeger

We'd always thought about Nashville for some of the things you just talked about.

Phil Laeger

Some yeah, great Music City.

Phil Laeger

But my my wife always wanted to branch out.

Phil Laeger

Last year she started her YouTube business where she's flipping furniture.

Andy

Right?

Phil Laeger

She has custom furniture and have a YouTube channel. ** ***** she's getting up there, she's aren't. Yes, she's on her way to 10,000 subscribers, so go check her out. It's 4:45.

Andy

And very successfully right?

Andy

I mean she's got huge YouTube.

Phil Laeger

Designs is our YouTube channel, if you.

Phil Laeger

Want to check it out?

Phil Laeger

Yes, and we deliver furniture too.

Phil Laeger

So if you.

Phil Laeger

Find a piece.

Phil Laeger

And you want it delivered, you just.

Phil Laeger

You just let me know.

Phil Laeger

OK, I'll I'll drive it to your.

Phil Laeger

Front door so.

Andy

You're the delivery service.

Phil Laeger

But yeah, she's she's.

Phil Laeger

She's doing that and I I'm I'm writing I'm.

Phil Laeger

I'm producing an album for a friend.

Phil Laeger

Uhm, what else am I doing?

Phil Laeger

Uh, yeah, you know how?

Phil Laeger

Email goes with freelance musicians we.

Phil Laeger

Just do a bit of this and a bit of that.

Phil Laeger

I'll be on the road this summer doing some backyard.

Phil Laeger

We talked before we started doing some backyard worship nights, OK?

Andy

Like you said, like my backyard, if if I was able to afford to bring you in, you come in my backyard.

Phil Laeger

I don't know if you want to go.

Phil Laeger

Yeah, I ardent absolutely and you could.

Phil Laeger

You could definitely forward me.

Andy

Oh can OK.

Phil Laeger

I I haven't won any, I haven't.

Phil Laeger

Won any Grammys yet so?

Phil Laeger

You could definitely afford me.

Phil Laeger

No, I I just.

Phil Laeger

I just had this thought and I mentioned to Sarah she said yeah, it's a great idea.

Phil Laeger

Once you put on Facebook and see what people think and I I just love the thought of of worshipping.

Phil Laeger

People in their backyard, whether it's a you.

Phil Laeger

Know a whole.

Phil Laeger

Church community or or just friends neighborhood yeah.

Phil Laeger

Something about.

Phil Laeger

You know, I've I've done performances and those are fine, but there's just something about gathering community and and just and and, you know, kicking off your shoes let you know.

Phil Laeger

I think it it erases some of those.

Phil Laeger

Barriers between stage and audience, you know?

Phil Laeger

And yes, you.

Phil Laeger

Can sort of gather and and and be free.

Phil Laeger

And, you know, holy Holy Spirit can do it a lot with those times, I think.

Phil Laeger

You know where?

Phil Laeger

It's just those informal real real life.

Phil Laeger

You know.

Phil Laeger

Sometimes in church you know that this is a pastor.

Phil Laeger

You can get there.

Phil Laeger

There can be that separation.

Phil Laeger

You know what goes on stage and what goes on in the audience in the congregation.

Phil Laeger

And I'm sorry not audience congregation.

Phil Laeger

Yeah, but with the backyard thing, you just have a chance.

Phil Laeger

To you know, worship together and be really formal and people let their guard down more and.

Phil Laeger

I think that's where some magic can happen, so I'm hoping for that this summer I've got a few people in New York area and Midwest and out West, and if any of your listeners are interested in reaching out to me and I'll be happy to entertain that too.

Andy

I love the, you know, Rend Collective had an album like a uh, like a fireside album or something where they recorded out around a fire.

Andy

And I just the image of that was appealing to me of people being around in community sharing something about being in a circle together.

Andy

I I have something come on podcast later this summer, he's invented as a founder of a board game company and it's keymaster games.

Phil Laeger

OK.

Andy

Interesting and Kyle Keys his name.

Andy

And he finally got to play.

Andy

So like what he was trying to do was the goal of the game is to get people around.

Andy

The table, and that's what he that's his.

Phil Laeger

OK.

Andy

That's his mission to get people around the table, and he uses to make that happen, and so that I don't mean to spoil it too much, but it took me a while to get to them, but the mission was after we.

Phil Laeger

Yeah wow.

Andy

Heard this really interesting story.

Andy

But like for you to be in this.

Andy

Place where you're.

Andy

Going to get people maybe around a campfire, but in a backyard you're trying to break down.

Andy

Some barriers 'cause there's something like you said magic can happen like I think God the Holy Spirit is at work uniquely.

Andy

When the community comes together, like in it may be a informal space.

Phil Laeger

Back, yeah, I think so, you know.

Phil Laeger

As somebody who doesn't have any normal job, you know as I don't go to a desk and sit at a desk, it's taken me.

Phil Laeger

I don't think.

Phil Laeger

A lot of creatives are like this.

Phil Laeger

It takes you a while to figure out what your purpose is.

Phil Laeger

Is to hone in, especially if you're if you're a freelancing artist like myself, to to really just, you know I don't clock in.

Phil Laeger

I'm really asking, OK?

Phil Laeger

Uh, what do I do?

Phil Laeger

How do I contribute to the world and meet in a meaningful way with the gifts I have?

Phil Laeger

You know, worship is a, it's it's what the Lord has made me to do.

Phil Laeger

Worship and and getting specifically getting other people to worship.

Phil Laeger

And you know my my my, we've talked about this before, but my goal is a congregational worship leaders.

Phil Laeger

Always so that I can be able to step back away from the mic and I think you know to hear the people praise God.

Phil Laeger

That that's my goal.

Phil Laeger

And what better way to do that than in a backyard, you know?

Phil Laeger

So and I'm I, I'm excited.

Phil Laeger

I really am excited about the the just I can you know can hear people worshipping already in my head so I'm yeah I'm excited about that what about you man?

Phil Laeger

You you've done quite a bit as well since since you first started this podcast.

Andy

Yeah, it's been an interesting journey like I would.

Andy

People might have heard me say a few times.

Andy

That I had this podcast called Captain Corner, and when Abby I announced that we were leaving Officership, several people reached out to me about a dozen.

Andy

That just said, hey keep that going.

Andy

Keep that going so so.

Andy

I started to.

Andy

Feel out like would there be an interest?

Andy

Would people really want me to keep doing this?

Andy

And so I did, and you were my first interview and at that point I met with a guy named Graham Cochrane and I'm encouraged, people look.

Andy

Him up, he was somebody you might have even heard.

Andy

I don't know like he.

Andy

As a audio engineering background and he went to a church plant in Tampa and he, his daughter and my daughter were friends who went to a birthday party together and and I don't know if you've been in those kind of awkward situations where you're after a birthday party or just sharing with somebody with your kids playing and I asked him what he did and he's like I'm a you tuber.

Andy

Just like you know Sarah, it's like interesting, so like OK, this first time I've ever had that, but it turns out like so he came to plan a church and he was, I think, like on food stamps and like had a part time job and he made a couple of videos for his for some friends on how to do some things with church audio.

Phil Laeger

Yeah, I've heard of grammar talking yeah, yeah.

Andy

And then he made some recording.

Andy

Oh, you've heard of him?

Phil Laeger

Yeah yeah Marty, Marty, our mutual friend.

Phil Laeger

Marty Michael put him on to me is a big big fan.

Phil Laeger

Yeah Oh yeah.

Andy

Audio revolution or something? Yep.

Andy

So anyways, he's uh.

Andy

I don't know anything about why he does it.

Andy

Audio stuff, but.

Andy

He's he now has a New York Times bestselling book.

Andy

On on how to get paid for what you know.

Andy

And so I met with him and he developed this audience.

Andy

He wasn't even.

Andy

I don't think even trying at first he was just and people liked what he was sharing and he was just sharing what was like real basic for him.

Andy

And then he just developed it more and more.

Andy

So I met with him.

Andy

And I kind of I was a little embarrassed about my podcasts.

Andy

Like yeah, I'm keeping going at at the time.

Andy

My biggest podcast was with Israel Gayther and it was like 800 downloads and I said that kind of sheepishly. He's like man, that's good.

Andy

And he said, what do you average?

Andy

And I forget what, and so he he just kind of asked me a few things real quick.

Andy

He's like yo, you've got audience.

Andy

You've got a real audience like and I think.

Andy

The the kind of.

Andy

Subscriber rate that I thought I had was.

Andy

Something like.

Andy

At that time 70 maybe, maybe, like in sometimes it would drop to 50 and they they can't tell that.

Andy

If you ever.

Andy

Do a podcast like they don't really know how many people are subscribed.

Andy

So as I was describing what I was doing, he's like, well, let's get together.

Andy

So I bought him lunch.

Andy

He didn't need me to buy him lunch because I've learned he's makes over $1,000,000 a year on his YouTube videos. Various things.

Andy

But and I bought him lunch so I could talk to.

Andy

And so he gave me a couple of quick tips.

Andy

I signed up for one of his classes and and I just realized that here.

Andy

Here's what, like with the podcast like I knew I was.

Andy

I I love theological education like I love what I'm doing.

Andy

Teaching preaching theology, leading and faculty.

Andy

All that sort of stuff.

Andy

Designing curriculum.

Andy

This is I made great place for me there and.

Andy

I love preaching, but I love my audience like I love these group of people that not everybody in my audience and I'm not like kicking anybody out.

Andy

But I realize there's a group of people who like the way that I interact with people they like some of the.

Andy

Things I have to say.

Andy

And I'm I'm pretty bold, willing to get out and ask people who I'm intimidated by to come on my podcast and willing to debate some things.

Andy

And I honestly like this year has been a unique thing for me because I've had the opportunity to serve this group of people who I love, and so I think that's what's kind of fun.

Andy

For me it's like I get I get every week I get thank you notes from people all over the.

Andy

World, particularly in our denomination, which we both love and you know, there's some challenges theologically and so as people are working through that they appreciate me coming at this from a Orthodox evangelical Wesleyan tradition.

Andy

And I know there's a lot of.

Andy

Words and describe them.

Phil Laeger

No no no I.

Phil Laeger

Mean I I would I I would agree I I love being part of your audience and I think that the things that you talk.

Phil Laeger

Talk about.

Phil Laeger

Some people are talking about anyway, you know, and I one thing I appreciated about what I know.

Phil Laeger

You recently had a conversation with Steve Busey about you.

Phil Laeger

Guys covered a bunch of.

Phil Laeger

A bunch of things that you talked about how a small a small group of people can really influence the the you know.

Phil Laeger

The conversation the the discourse that happens and can really influence a whole organization, denomination.

Phil Laeger

Even so.

Phil Laeger

I mean, I think it's important that that you have the ability to to speak, you know.

Phil Laeger

Which, like Orthodox Wesleyan elanjikal perspective on on these things.

Phil Laeger

I mean, that's important, because there are definitely other voices out there there that are.

Phil Laeger

Not not speaking those things.

Phil Laeger

So yeah, yeah.

Andy

Yeah, it's interesting.

Andy

Like even today I got.

Andy

I mean, there's there's people who are discouraged by what they see happening in certain places, and maybe it's just like I still affirm that the kind of the core center of what makes up most evangelical denominations.

Andy

And I think of those, particularly the holiness tradition like.

Andy

Nazarene Wesleyan, like in the Salvation Army like a very kind of this.

Andy

Pure model that's connected to whatever their statement of faith is, but I had somebody write me today like there's there's folks.

Andy

I mean, this is a I'm not going to identify who it was, but in another country I don't even say what country they're like.

Andy

People are using the rainbow flag.

Andy

In exchange of the Salvation Army flag and enrolling people as members of you know our denomination under that flag, right?

Andy

Maybe maybe you know about tonight stuff and it's just like, Oh my goodness, like now, look I.

Andy

I I we want to have as loving as a postures we can't and Phil you do a great job at that like I want to make sure people know I'm in for a conversation.

Andy

I'm into working through our hurt tablets and hang ups and all those type of things but at the same time like we have a foundation for that and and for me that starts with the first article of faith.

Phil Laeger

Yeah, absolutely yeah.

Phil Laeger

Yeah, I'm with you and I think the key and I think.

Phil Laeger

You you do this really well?

Phil Laeger

Any is is is humility right?

Phil Laeger

I mean people want us to be.

Phil Laeger

I mean people on any issue that you think about want us to be rigid.

Phil Laeger

They want us to.

Phil Laeger

Be, you know.

Phil Laeger

Which side are you on?

Phil Laeger

You know 10 more side and.

Phil Laeger

These are the you know and.

Phil Laeger

Think you know?

Phil Laeger

It's not the way I see Jesus going about his life, you know?

Phil Laeger

He he is the truth.

Phil Laeger

And yet, when he's talking with people, he disagrees that you know he's just walking, humbly, you know, and I think you do a good job of humbly asking the questions and and humbly saying, this is what I believe you know.

Phil Laeger

And this is what?

Phil Laeger

The Lord has revealed to all of us through Scripture, and this is where I stand on it.

Phil Laeger

I don't agree with you.

Phil Laeger

I love you, but this is where I I stand, yeah.

Andy

Man, I'm going to take a little.

Andy

I'm going to record that and I'm.

Andy

Going to make.

Andy

A separate YouTube video just for that.

Andy

So when people send me the and I got a few of them this past weekend, I'll I'll send them that still linger, says Blink Blink.

And this.

Andy

I appreciate it.

Phil Laeger

I I don't know.

Phil Laeger

If people will know who's still at your house or care what he?

Phil Laeger

Says, but sure, use it however you want to.

Andy

So, well, what what's happening?

Andy

Like you have a a few things happening in with all the freelance source stuff you're doing.

Andy

I want actually before I get to that I want to hear like maybe long term.

Andy

Kind of things that.

Andy

You're doing.

Andy

But you, Steve and I talked about something last week that was interesting.

Andy

We had this situation where the Salvation Army.

Andy

The UK is, possibly, you know, encouraging people to move away from language that might be offensive, and I'm all about like making sure that we're clear on the front like we marketing helped us get in with folks, but there was this.

Andy

Challenge with saying well the words blood and fire don't really connect anymore and Steve had an interesting point.

Andy

He's like the words blood and fire never connected and and then it's just not in Rome, not in the Reformation, not in the 19th century with William and Catherine Booth and you and I fell on something last last year in the very first episode.

Andy

Where we looked at your song I surrender my life to your blood and there's something to that to that language that's so important and I just don't think we should give it up.

Phil Laeger

Yeah, yeah.

Phil Laeger

Listen, I just first of all, if you're watching this, go back and listen.

Phil Laeger

You haven't watched that.

Phil Laeger

You guys, 'cause I think that you guys really you tackled why it's important you know to have this conversation and why it's important to be true to our Lord, to the word.

Phil Laeger

I I the the term blood in the terms is blood in fire.

Phil Laeger

I was just a mission to you this see before we hopped on the term blood and fire you know I was reading in John 6 today about about Jesus.

Phil Laeger

And how come he?

Andy

Talk about something that doesn't fit in with culture.

Phil Laeger

He said unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood, you have no part in me, and he was talking to his disciples.

Phil Laeger

Larger group.

Phil Laeger

Of people who were following him, you know?

Phil Laeger

So it was out in how the open.

Phil Laeger

He's not telling a secret message to anybody coded inside inside her language.

Phil Laeger

He's like saying unless you eat my flesh and drink.

Phil Laeger

I'm glad you have no part in me.

Phil Laeger

I I agree actually and I said this to several people.

Phil Laeger

I agree with the need to reevaluate what we say to people to make.

Phil Laeger

Sure, it's coming across.

Phil Laeger

But you know, maybe part of that conversation is just talking about our motivations, you know, and having honest conversations in community about what's our motivations.

Phil Laeger

Or do we just want to soften it?

Phil Laeger

You know, so we don't lose our donors or.

Phil Laeger

Umm, that that that even sounds harsh coming.

Phil Laeger

I don't mean that.

Phil Laeger

I'm just saying what's what's the motivation for it.

Phil Laeger

And maybe that can only.

Is it going?

Andy

To win people to.

Andy

I mean, if that's the goal, I'm willing to go there for a.

Andy

Little bit.

Andy

Sure, the same thing is true with the you know one of the channels you talked about the orange curriculum, but some people sent me.

Andy

Some resources and I looked at him and there's.

Andy

Not mentioned there.

Andy

Might be a a vague mention of brokenness.

Andy

But not sin, not hell, not heaven, it's.

Andy

I'm willing to talk through that like I.

Andy

Teach I I teach eschatology here like I'm glad to talk through options that people have dealt with across the years.

Andy

Philosophically, biblically about the afterlife, like I'm glad to have that conversation.

Andy

But we have a starting point, and I'm I'm OK to not like call people sinners, but.

Andy

At some point we need to.

Andy

Talk about sin and.

Andy

Not just broken this.

Phil Laeger

Sure, absolutely 100%. It's interesting to there's another Miller, another doctor Miller, who's written. You know, I'm I've.

Phil Laeger

We've talked about this.

Phil Laeger

Yeah he.

Phil Laeger

He's written in the case.

Phil Laeger

Nobody because people don't think I'm talking about your brother.

Phil Laeger

Nathan has, is, and he's I don't.

Phil Laeger

I don't know.

Phil Laeger

His position is at Asbury.

Phil Laeger

He's the.

Andy

He is some director of orchestra and music professor of ecology.

You should know this.

Phil Laeger

She was you're you're you're his brother.

Andy

He's professor, assistant associate professor.

Andy

How about that?

Phil Laeger

Well, he's his.

Phil Laeger

I'm reading his dissertation 'cause I have a great interest in music and the Salvation Army, but it also deals with some other stuff about.

Andy

Right?

Phil Laeger

How like, even from the very beginning you know we've had this dual?

Phil Laeger

What are we?

Phil Laeger

You know, we have this messaging to the public and then we have the messaging to our people and your brother talks about the way that that was sort of intentional to let people take what they would from you know, and and I'm I'm reading his dissertation and I write in the sidelines.

Phil Laeger

I highlight it now.

Phil Laeger

Right is this duplicitous?

Phil Laeger

Is this is this duplicitous messaging?

Phil Laeger

What does it mean to have different different messages for different audiences?

Phil Laeger

I guess in some.

Phil Laeger

Ways you could look at.

Phil Laeger

Call and say.

Phil Laeger

He's in the area up against the apostle Paul is in the area because he's a he's a thing to an unknown God.

Phil Laeger

He's he's a I see.

Phil Laeger

You're very religious and he contextualises that you know he preaches you know I'm preaching to the choir here.

Andy

Yeah yeah yeah yeah.

Phil Laeger

But then you know.

Phil Laeger

But then he eventually gets to Jesus Christ being crucified and resurrected from the dead, and that you know.

Phil Laeger

So he has a point where he's.

Phil Laeger

Going and he's he's leading people.

Phil Laeger

He's not completely abandoning the message right, right?

Phil Laeger

So I guess maybe maybe that's part of the conversation is.

Phil Laeger

Where is it going?

Phil Laeger

You know, do we say we're doing this because we want to introduce people to Jesus and get something to talk about their sin and realize their need for a savior?

Phil Laeger

Or are we just doing?

Phil Laeger

This to so you know, are we moving away from?

Phil Laeger

You guys probably covered all.

Phil Laeger

Of that in your, in, in, in your in your talks.

Andy

So yeah, we we have a well in.

Andy

Actually people are interested but my brother is saying I do have a podcast interview with him about his dissertation.

Andy

If you go to my website on the.

Andy

Uh, media tab.

Andy

You can find a link to it, but it was one of his captains corner.

Andy

It was when he had just finished it and you'll see our it's hard to distinguish us.

Andy

Some people can't distinguish our voices, and that's kind of fun.

Andy

Every now this yeah.

Andy

But anyways, yeah, he talks through some of those those points in nationalism too, and even the point I brought up about people using the gay gay pride flag.

Andy

Rainbow flag and that's the same type of thing like connected to like his idea of nationalism like what it means that.

Andy

Salvation Army and other denominations might get closest to is a nation in itself.

Andy

Now there is that that gets some challenges too because of the way nationalism.

Andy

Tends to be a tool within our within the Academy.

Andy

That is, you know, not favorable SAT nathans approach.

Andy

But anyhow, yeah.

Andy

No, that's another story that's so good.

Andy

OK, so Phil, we don't know what what's your.

Andy

Here's a random question.

Andy

Like if if you had to get on a stage if we got if I got if you got invited.

Andy

Somewhere to Grand Ole Opry at.

Andy

Night and they said we need you get 4 minutes.

Andy

Do one of your pieces.

Andy

What is it?

Andy

What are you gonna?

Phil Laeger

Do well, talk about contextualization, and on the Grand Ole Opry it used to be much more.

Phil Laeger

You know solely a country venue.

Phil Laeger

Now all different kinds of artists pass through there, but you know, I I've written a few songs that could be a song called Carolina Girl for my Mother.

Phil Laeger

Oh yeah, pretty close.

Phil Laeger

close to a country song.

Phil Laeger

I might do that one.

Andy

OK, whatever you went to The Tonight Show.

Phil Laeger

Ah, well, I've got a song I'm I've got some songs I'm working on right now that are.

Andy

All good salesman let us know it's coming.

Andy

We want to buy it it.

Phil Laeger

Well, here's the thing.

Phil Laeger

As you, as anybody who knows me for more than five minutes, will know I have many ideas and I'm great at starting things.

Phil Laeger

My problem is actually.

Phil Laeger

Finishing them so I've been working on an album for.

Phil Laeger

Different members of my family for probably five years now, and it's just dumb.

Phil Laeger

I missed our 20th anniversary.

Phil Laeger

My wife and I was this past April.

Phil Laeger

So, uhm, I missed the deadline to get it out by then, but I'm hoping by the end of this year.

Phil Laeger

To have another album so.

James F.

The best thing to do?

Phil Laeger

Is just go to later.

Phil Laeger

Net and sign up for my newsletter so.

Andy

There you go.

Andy

That sounds good.

Andy

Well, yeah, you know, Abby Knight.

Andy

We're getting dark 20th anniversary in two days.

Andy

So we I don't think I realized that that yeah, yeah university.

Phil Laeger

Oh wow, congratulations man.

Phil Laeger

Happy you too.

Andy

2002

Phil Laeger

20 years is a long time, it's a.

Phil Laeger

Big deal, yeah?

Andy

Yeah, well, it's so good.

Andy

Thanks Phil for taking time right?

Andy

So would be fun and and look, you know I should get things going.

Andy

Like I would be glad to have you back.

Andy

More than once.

Andy

A year, you know, to to talk through some different and even as you respond to some things that I'm talking about something as a couple of news.

Andy

Or if you have something to share, I think I think the people who are my audio.

Andy

It's they're your fans for sure.

Andy

I think a good chunk of them.

Andy

I would love you to keep on connecting me to them.

Andy

If I can.

Phil Laeger

Yeah good yeah, I'm happy to be on and talk about anything and and don't forget to send me I.

Phil Laeger

Don't know you need to.

Phil Laeger

Do a plug for your thing.

Phil Laeger

You got coming out on Jude because I asked you to send me an email about it and you haven't sent me an email yet, so.

Andy

Oh man, you got me OK so yeah here it's coming and I I didn't even remind you to do that.

Andy

That's thanks for saying it.

Andy

Uhm, yes, so I've presented this material on Jude five Times Now, and I've refined it, and I've found that this idea, that kind of the context of.

Andy

Jude is in verse four.

Andy

It says a group of people have secretly slipped in.

Andy

Those are.

Andy

That's a translation from an Ivy who are leading the people towards antinomianism.

Andy

Like it's living as if God grace is just a license to do whatever they want and he calls him to contend for the faith and then he goes on to contend for the faith once for all delivered to the Saints.

Andy

I mean, this is like a message toward this same thing that I'm trying to talk about in.

Andy

And throughout this podcast, the great conceptual tradition of the church what has been handed down like that's our task is to contend to fight for that faith and what I found in Jude.

Andy

There's all kinds of crazy little stories in there that are from the Apocrypha, from extra non canonical text and they seem.

Andy

Absolutely bananas to our ears. Like if you read through Jude it's like what is going on in this crazy little letter 25 verses.

Andy

But if you get just a little bit behind what those stories are and how it fits into Jude's are.

Andy

Argument I think it speaks incredibly powerfully to our time, particularly the sexual revolution, because most of those situations are dealing with people who are tempted to move away from God.

Andy

Design for sexuality.

Andy

And so I found it to be really powerful.

Andy

Kind of like.

Andy

A foundation from which I can speak into the current cultural situation.

Andy

So this is my next step in the podcast is like, OK, I have this audience.

Andy

I want to serve them better.

Andy

I can keep on putting out a weekly podcast or I I have some people like one of my.

Andy

Sponsors Bill Roberts.

Andy

Do you know Bill?

Phil Laeger

I don't think so.

Andy

He's in the east in the Detroit area.

Andy

His parents are Salvation Army officers, and so he he.

Andy

He came in and said, look, I.

Andy

I mean, our small group could use a a Bible study, anything you can put together maybe?

Andy

I mean, I could help you if you need anything to make it happen, and so that was I'm like wow, well, that's a great idea.

Andy

Like I that would help me think.

Andy

Use my time but then.

Andy

I saw I could do Jude and then I've grammed.

Andy

Actually, I took Grim Cochran course on making courses and so I figured out a way that I can package this together so it'll be a resource for people.

Andy

And then I have some extra bonus material.

Andy

Holiness and Jude Genesis six, one through 4.

Andy

It's a crazy passage to that.

Andy

Jude quotes.

Andy

But then now I say crazy.

Andy

It's hard to understand and I try to break it down.

Andy

Eternal Security and Jude all kinds of extra preaching Jude, different bonus things on top of the Bible study.

Andy

But the idea is people should be able to use it in a small group or Sunday school class, or just.

Andy

For their own.

Andy

For their own Bible said themselves, so it's very simple, but in in that it's presentation I don't have like a video crew doing it.

Andy

It's like me in this chair working through the material, but I think it's something that will give me opportunity to offer something to my audience that they might be looking for and to for me not to have to spend a weekend away from my family.

Andy

Could do it.

Phil Laeger

Yeah, I love it.

Phil Laeger

It's awesome.

Andy

This is coming out in July, thank.

Andy

You for asking.

Phil Laeger

Yeah cool yeah yeah awesome man.

Andy

Anything else do you want?

Andy

To talk about or.

Andy

Second bullet legarde.net, right?

Phil Laeger

Legger.net and yeah, sign up for my news like that's what I'm finding lately. Is that people really do?

Phil Laeger

You can only read social media, you can reach so many people, but if you have people that subscribe to your, you know you can actually you get a direct a Direct Line to.

Phil Laeger

Them so yes.

Phil Laeger

Yeah, please subscribe.

Andy

Andymiller.com too.

Andy

While I'm at it, thanks so much Phil.

Andy

It's great to have you on.

Phil Laeger

Thanks man, it's good to.

Phil Laeger

Be here always good to have you always good.

Phil Laeger

To have you always good to be on your podcast.

Chris D

Thanks greetings, this is crystal bullets.

Chris D

I am a Salvation Army officer currently serving in Leesburg, FL.

Chris D

It's basically Central Florida right outside Orlando and I am excited just to see the one year anniversary of the more to the story podcast with my good friend Andy Miller.

Chris D

And I know for myself I have just been so blessed and encouraged by the YouTube channel, the podcast and over the last year or so, I have just learned a lot that introduced to a lot of different thinkers and authors and pastors and so many different people.

Chris D

And I think there's one thing in particular that has interested.

Chris D

Me over the last year is being introduced to a variety.

Chris D

A whole bunch of different topics.

Chris D

A whole bunch of different.

Chris D

Conversations around so many different things regarding just church leadership and theology and philosophy and cultured society and different schools of academic thought and study.

Chris D

And this and that.

Chris D

And I have just learned so much and I've just been so blessed.

Chris D

I think if there's one interview in particular that has stood out to me.

Chris D

It would probably have to be the interview that Andy did with Doctor Frank Turek.

Chris D

I know for myself when I became a Christian and I got saved and I started following Jesus.

Chris D

I got really interested in apologetics and different apologists that were out there, and I stumbled upon a Frank Turek work and just started reading and listening to a lot of this stuff.

Chris D

And I've been following him over.

Chris D

You know, over the last decade or so or so, and just I've always been fascinated by his work and and how much it's helped me in my own life and my own ministry and whatnot.

Chris D

And so when I found out that Andy was interviewing Dr.

Chris D

Turk, it was kind of cool for me to see someone that I had looked up to and kind of watched and studied and watched their ministry.

Chris D

Over the last 10-11 years and to see them talking to my my friend that was that was just really cool.

Chris D

Hit hit home for me, but I'm besides that I'd just like to say I'm very appreciative of the ministry that Andy is doing with the YouTube channel and I certainly know what's helped me.

Chris D

Be a better thinker and I hope a more faithful follower of Jesus. And so I look forward to what the future has for your ministry and pray God's richest blessings over you.

James F.

Hi, I'm James Fogle.

James F.

I'm a Nazarene pastor in Alabama.

James F.

I've been watching animals podcast for almost a year, and it's really a.

James F.

Let me give you 3 reasons why I think so.

James F.

One the topics are very relevant to the current Wesleyan holiness tradition.

James F.

#2 guests that he interviews have really substantive positive contributions for the Holiness movement today and 3rd. I'd say Andrew covers each topic with a sufficient level of depth.

James F.

Would be well worth my time to listen.

James F.

I plan to keep listening.

James F.

I hope you.

Coristons

YouTube hi, we are lieutenants Robert, Kristen, Kirsten, we're Salvation Army officers in Midland, TX and we are more to the story podcast fans, super vans.

Speaker 13

Yeah, we're super fans.

Speaker 13

We have really enjoyed the podcast for quite a few reasons.

Speaker 13

One of the most important ones being giving us, you know those challenging things and resources to dig into deeper for personal development, spiritual.

Speaker 13

Growth and also so we can share, you know with our people with our ministry.

Speaker 13

A couple of episodes that really have impacted US1 up.

Speaker 13

First, the podcast that was probably very.

Speaker 13

Uhm, challenging and inspiring.

Speaker 13

Talking about the Salvation Army future.

Speaker 13

You know what's going to happen?

Speaker 13

What are some issues things we need to be aware of?

Speaker 13

What kind of you know mindset do we need to have going into the next few years?

Speaker 13

Another one that was really impactful was.

Coristons

We had a conversation with a progressive Christian that's those are my favorite kind 'cause I feel like a lot of podcasts.

Speaker 13

Huh, yeah, chikila.

Coristons

Just a bunch of people getting yes men that agree with them on.

Coristons

And they just they just.

Coristons

All agree with each other.

Coristons

And I like the time when you could kind of debate and love and speak truth, see.

Amber Meo

Yeah huh?

Speaker 13

Yeah, and thinking through those issues out loud, yeah.

Coristons

See what both sides agree or how they even came to that.

Speaker 13

With each other.

Speaker 13

Yep, I also loved the episode with Katie Faust, learned a lot from her then before us and being child advocates.

Speaker 13

I mean, that's really important to me personally.

Speaker 13

And you know, in our ministry, and as we are a family, you know just thinking through.

Speaker 13

How can we best advocate for those who need it the most who don't have.

Speaker 13

Maybe don't have anybody else, so yeah, we can't wait to see what's coming next.

Speaker 13

We're excited.

Speaker 13

Love the podcast.

Speaker 13

Love Andy heart.

Speaker 13

Yeah, we're.

Speaker 13

Grateful to be along for the ride stay true.

aker 11

Legger.net and yeah, sign up for my news like that's what I'm finding lately. Is that people really do?

Speaker 11

You can only read social media, you can reach so many people, but if you have people that subscribe to your, you know you can actually you get a direct a Direct Line to.

Speaker 11

Them so yes.

Speaker 11

Yeah, please subscribe.

Speaker 1

Andymiller.com too.

Speaker 1

While I'm at it, thanks so much Phil.

Speaker 1

It's great to have you on.

Speaker 11

Thanks man, it's good to.

Speaker 11

Be here always good to have you always good.

Speaker 11

To have you always good to be on your podcast.

Speaker 9

Thanks greetings, this is crystal bullets.

Speaker 9

I am a Salvation Army officer currently serving in Leesburg, FL.

Speaker 9

It's basically Central Florida right outside Orlando and I am excited just to see the one year anniversary of the more to the story podcast with my good friend Andy Miller.

Speaker 9

And I know for myself I have just been so blessed and encouraged by the YouTube channel, the podcast and over the last year or so, I have just learned a lot that introduced to a lot of different thinkers and authors and pastors and so many different people.

Speaker 9

And I think there's one thing in particular that has interested.

Speaker 9

Me over the last year is being introduced to a variety.

Speaker 9

A whole bunch of different topics.

Speaker 9

A whole bunch of different.

Speaker 9

Conversations around so many different things regarding just church leadership and theology and philosophy and cultured society and different schools of academic thought and study.

Speaker 9

And this and that.

Speaker 9

And I have just learned so much and I've just been so blessed.

Speaker 9

I think if there's one interview in particular that has stood out to me.

Speaker 9

It would probably have to be the interview that Andy did with Doctor Frank Turek.

Speaker 9

I know for myself when I became a Christian and I got saved and I started following Jesus.

Speaker 9

I got really interested in apologetics and different apologists that were out there, and I stumbled upon a Frank Turek work and just started reading and listening to a lot of this stuff.

Speaker 9

And I've been following him over.

Speaker 9

You know, over the last decade or so or so, and just I've always been fascinated by his work and and how much it's helped me in my own life and my own ministry and whatnot.

Speaker 9

And so when I found out that Andy was interviewing Dr.

Speaker 9

Turk, it was kind of cool for me to see someone that I had looked up to and kind of watched and studied and watched their ministry.

Speaker 9

Over the last 10-11 years and to see them talking to my my friend that was that was just really cool.

Speaker 9

Hit hit home for me, but I'm besides that I'd just like to say I'm very appreciative of the ministry that Andy is doing with the YouTube channel and I certainly know what's helped me.

Speaker 9

Be a better thinker and I hope a more faithful follower of Jesus. And so I look forward to what the future has for your ministry and pray God's richest blessings over you.

Speaker 12

Hi, I'm James Fogle.

Speaker 12

I'm a Nazarene pastor in Alabama.

Speaker 12

I've been watching animals podcast for almost a year, and it's really a.

Speaker 12

Let me give you 3 reasons why I think so.

Speaker 12

One the topics are very relevant to the current Wesleyan holiness tradition.

Speaker 12

#2 guests that he interviews have really substantive positive contributions for the Holiness movement today and 3rd. I'd say Andrew covers each topic with a sufficient level of depth.

Speaker 12

Would be well worth my time to listen.

Speaker 12

I plan to keep listening.

Speaker 12

I hope you.

Speaker 8

YouTube hi, we are lieutenants Robert, Kristen, Kirsten, we're Salvation Army officers in Midland, TX and we are more to the story podcast fans, super vans.

Speaker 13

Yeah, we're super fans.

Speaker 13

We have really enjoyed the podcast for quite a few reasons.

Speaker 13

One of the most important ones being giving us, you know those challenging things and resources to dig into deeper for personal development, spiritual.

Speaker 13

Growth and also so we can share, you know with our people with our ministry.

Speaker 13

A couple of episodes that really have impacted US1 up.

Speaker 13

First, the podcast that was probably very.

Speaker 13

Uhm, challenging and inspiring.

Speaker 13

Talking about the Salvation Army future.

Speaker 13

You know what's going to happen?

Speaker 13

What are some issues things we need to be aware of?

Speaker 13

What kind of you know mindset do we need to have going into the next few years?

Speaker 13

Another one that was really impactful was.

Speaker 8

We had a conversation with a progressive Christian that's those are my favorite kind 'cause I feel like a lot of podcasts.

Speaker 13

Huh, yeah, chikila.

Speaker 8

Just a bunch of people getting yes men that agree with them on.

Speaker 8

And they just they just.

Speaker 8

All agree with each other.

Speaker 8

And I like the time when you could kind of debate and love and speak truth, see.

Speaker 10

Yeah huh?

Speaker 13

Yeah, and thinking through those issues out loud, yeah.

Speaker 8

See what both sides agree or how they even came to that.

Speaker 13

With each other.

Speaker 13

Yep, I also loved the episode with Katie Faust, learned a lot from her then before us and being child advocates.

Speaker 13

I mean, that's really important to me personally.

Speaker 13

And you know, in our ministry, and as we are a family, you know just thinking through.

Speaker 13

How can we best advocate for those who need it the most who don't have.

Speaker 13

Maybe don't have anybody else, so yeah, we can't wait to see what's coming next.

Speaker 13

We're excited.

Speaker 13

Love the podcast.

Speaker 13

Love Andy heart.

Speaker 13

Yeah, we're.

Speaker 13

Grateful to be along for the ride stay true.