Asbury Revival, What Now? w/ Greg Haseloff and Iannah Jones
July 13, 2023
It’s been five months since the Holy Spirit distinctly moved on the campus of Asbury University. The overflow of that outpouring is still being experienced around the world. Today I talk with two people who had distinct perspectives during the outpouring. Greg Haseloff serves as the Campus Chaplain at Asbury University and he shares his experience in stewarding this move of the Holy Spirit. Iannah Jones is a high school student who was led to create a piece of artwork expressing her experience at the outpouring.
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Transcript
Well welcome to the more to the story. Podcast. I'm so glad that you have come along. Look. We have a great show. One of the great things that has happened in this past year
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Andy Miller III: was the outpouring at Asbury University, in Wilmore, Kentucky, and many of you all know I am a proud alumnus of that institution of both Asbury institutions. Actually, so. I was very excited about what was happening there now, when i'm recording this 3 months ago, and then moving forward. Now, probably when this is published about 4 months ago, and I had several podcasts of people who were live on the scene and getting it was my way of getting involved in the action as best as I could, even though I couldn't be
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Andy Miller III: there physically. So we're going to have this show. It's kind of like the what now, and what's what's happening lately with the out point as very University. So that's coming here soon with a few special guests. But first I want you to know this podcast is brought to you by Wesley Biblical Seminary, where we are developing trusted leaders for faithful churches, and we are excited that we are an approved institution by the Global Methodist Church, and we're the first institution to be, have an approved course of study.
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Andy Miller III: All right. I am so glad to welcome in the podcast my friend, who serves as the Associate Dean of Spiritual Life and the University
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Andy Miller III: chaplain or university. Oh, I think I have the wrong title.
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Greg Haseloff: University Passer
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Greg Haseloff: Greg Hassle. Hop Greg. Thank you so much for coming on the podcast. It's so good to see you
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Greg Haseloff: getting to do ministry and and the context that we've loved. I I just love you telling the story, and continue to tell a story of what's happened through the outpouring, and it's it's fun to be here to have this conversation with you.
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Andy Miller III: Oh, man, Greg, we were praying for you in the midst of all that, and that I knew that once I I got word I had a I have a niece who's a freshman. I leave it, Olivia Rogowski, and we got word probably 2 or 3 h after things are going that this was happening.
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Andy Miller III: and I thought, oh, man, Greg's going to be in the heart of this, and I I think You probably were getting text from all over the world, but I was almost. I was almost afraid just to keep Texas, but I wanted you to know we are praying for you in the midst of all this, and we so thankful for your leadership in the middle of the out Point Greg, just we only have a few minutes here, but I love to see here, like
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Andy Miller III: your experience in the midst of it, but also I want to get to like to think about what's happening now, and what you think the consequences of this will be.
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Greg Haseloff: It's a big question. I know right you. You want me to. You. You want me to talk about my experience, or
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Andy Miller III: but I mean you were. You were right in the heart of everything, I mean. I saw a little picture of even the being the little closet where the operation was being organized. Give us a little a a hint of that.
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Greg Haseloff: Yes, for
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Greg Haseloff: Andy first. It's. It's really fun to know that Olivia is your niece who's jumping into being a spiritual life assistant next year. So he's right into leadership for sophomore year, and Andy, those prayers were felt.
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Greg Haseloff: I mean, when we talked about how much we set Jesus orchestrating everything that was unfolding during the outpouring. So much of that was the overwhelming sense that we that we heard and felt people's prayers
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Greg Haseloff: for what God was doing in Wilmore, and and how the Holy Spirit was, and move on our campus. So
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Greg Haseloff: so thanks, it felt like we were undergirded by a 1 million prayers, and that that sense was was so strong and palpable.
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Greg Haseloff: I just
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Greg Haseloff: that experience of leadership, you said, and and you kind of went to the image of the storage closet. We felt, you know, 2 or 3 days those first 2 or 3 days where you're just like kinda You're it's like you're grabbing on holding on.
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Greg Haseloff: Say, a lord, we want to be faithful to what you're doing, and this is moving quick, and we're we're
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Greg Haseloff: we're following and responding, and we
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Greg Haseloff: we couldn't find places where there weren't people you know none of us that
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Greg Haseloff: we're needing to put our heads together had offices close to Hughes Auditorium, so we literally grabbed the worship professor and said, hey, You've got that
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Greg Haseloff: storage closet next to your office. Can we just come? Hang out in there? So 7 or 8 of us were, you know, 5 and chairs, sitting on top of desk or turning over a bucket
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Greg Haseloff: and sitting down. And we, you know someone would. Would.
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Greg Haseloff: We would walk in with a flip chart or a white board, and we were kind of trying to edge out. Okay, this is what's happening. This this seems to be a good order of worship for the next couple of hours.
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Greg Haseloff: Let's let's LED that out. Okay, You're You're gonna do the call to worship. And then the 2 of you are gonna orchestrate testimonies. And then, okay, you're gonna You're gonna share a teaching
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Greg Haseloff: And and so we would just fly through and and land in those little hidden spaces. The first 3 or 4 days it felt like
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Greg Haseloff: we were just desperate for any space we could find.
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Greg Haseloff: and we kind of entered into a rhythm of
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Greg Haseloff: every morning and a and
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Greg Haseloff: lunch at noon, and and bitter at 5. Those were our hour or 2 together as leaders.
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Greg Haseloff: when music was kind of leading the rest of the time, but we were at least begging for those to to say, okay, this is this is how we set
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Greg Haseloff: the Lord kind of ordering the next 3 or 4 h in front of us. and it was.
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Greg Haseloff: you know it. It was a group of
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Greg Haseloff: a people that yes. you know, 2 or 3 of us would work together in one circle
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Greg Haseloff: into, you know. 2 or 3 members of the President's Cabinet would be used to working to with each other on the President's cabinet.
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Greg Haseloff: but none of us had worked together in that way until again we're. All of a sudden we're forged by fire, and into that those kind of leadership circles.
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Andy Miller III: Yeah, that is so interesting. The number it's Help me on the how long did it keep going? How many people came through? What are some of those kind of stats from
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Greg Haseloff: the outpouring? So we essentially have said somewhere but 3 between 350 and
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Greg Haseloff: 370 h; that it started at 10 am. On February the eighth.
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Greg Haseloff: and 16 days later. At midnight on February the 20 third was when we finished, and kind of when the the last person left Hughes auditorium after the collegiate day of prayer.
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Greg Haseloff: Okay, okay.
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Greg Haseloff: there, there. There's been a pretty broad estimate on number.
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Greg Haseloff: I think conservative estimates have said that 50 to 70,000 people came through. Wow! But other estimates have
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Greg Haseloff: frequently used as many as 100,000 people were here during that time.
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Andy Miller III: Did it feel like 300,000? You know that's a great question, Andy. The only reason it didn't is because
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Greg Haseloff: what
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Greg Haseloff: a lot of those people were outside of the lines that we were so just immersed in huge auditorium. But the more you got outside, and the more you saw other contacts.
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Greg Haseloff: Then it felt like that larger number.
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Andy Miller III: Do you need to stop to get it a drink? It? Will i'm gonna try and mark this moment where I am. I think it's about
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Andy Miller III: 15 min in
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Andy Miller III: It's actually good for us to be silent, because then it's easier to see, so I can go and cut it out.
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Greg Haseloff: and I set here and muted it on my end. Andy hoping that that would help a little. Oh, you were good. You did a good job doing that. So I just wanted to give you a chance. Then
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Greg Haseloff: I think i'm better. I stuck to cough drop in.
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Andy Miller III: Okay.
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Greg Haseloff: So just whatever you decide to kick us back in
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Andy Miller III: All right, Jeff, is this guy editing here? We go and let me think. I'm gonna
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Greg Haseloff: i'm gonna follow. Okay.
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Andy Miller III: So it's in 3
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Andy Miller III: to one. So it it felt like there was all those that many people there. Only when you went out. You were pretty focused on what you had in front of you in Hughes, or in the various other buildings where things are happening.
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Greg Haseloff: When I think about those numbers.
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Greg Haseloff: It was hard for people to leave Hughes. We knew that 1,500 people would fit in choose.
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Greg Haseloff: and we knew that there would be turnover a couple of times a day. but we almost. We had to ask people to be very considerate that that the lines were outside, and and people wanted to come inside.
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Greg Haseloff: so we know that
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Greg Haseloff: even if you's turned over twice in a day. then, you know, at least 4,500 to 5,000 people were just in queues
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Greg Haseloff: and out on the lawn. We knew that we had 2 or 3 other 1,000 that were in line. and as the seminary, but again to create 3 to 4 more venues.
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Greg Haseloff: showing up Esther's Chapel. Mckenna Chapel
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Greg Haseloff: on the largest day. They were also filling up the Gym. And the cafeteria.
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Andy Miller III: so that they were actually hosting more people in venues than Hughes auditorium was
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Greg Haseloff: so interesting to think about that, like with what was happening.
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Andy Miller III: one of the things that there there was. I I hope you didn't see it, and I heard that some people missed some of the criticism while was going on like. So my my family that was there. They're like what there's i'm, i'm just focused on on meeting with Jesus and serving people and brain for people. So i'm so glad that that that wasn't something probably
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Andy Miller III: burdening people is a way that some people were being critical. But I one of the beautiful things I've heard since from multiple people who are participating was the conversions with people who somebody told me that
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Andy Miller III: you yeah, what you saw on video, the worship. The this kind of the ambience, definite presence of the spirit was there, but
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Andy Miller III: where the real work and the real, the the beautiful thing, most beautiful things that were happening were happening at the altar.
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Andy Miller III: and that people were just flocking because they knew they needed something, and they were needing to become Christians
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Greg Haseloff: Andy, that is, that is so true, and i'll kinda a little bit of the movement of which you describe that people
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Greg Haseloff: Ministry was beginning in the line. It was beginning out in those spaces as people were waiting to come into Hughes, we would say that it felt like every square inch of Wilmore was holy ground if you, if you walked out a huge auditorium.
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Greg Haseloff: and whether you walk down the line or walked across the street to Esther's chapel.
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Greg Haseloff: it just all felt like worship space, and it was every square inch was holding you out.
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Greg Haseloff: and people would start establishing these friendships, or would be worship songs that if the line was so far away that they couldn't even watch the screens.
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Greg Haseloff: There would be, you know, worship songs going on a a block down.
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Greg Haseloff: and people would start establishing these friendships and people. Would you would meet them later and listen to these 3 or 4 people talking? You would think, Wow! These guys have been friends for 5 years, and just came to Will more together, and then they would tell you. Oh, we just met each other in line, and we just spent the last 5 or 6 h in line.
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Greg Haseloff: And so then getting to the
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Greg Haseloff: you know the description of what was happening at the altar, Andy, and to the
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Greg Haseloff: really the holy holy encounters that people were having with Jesus being a tabernacle in Hughes
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Greg Haseloff: people would come after those 5 or 6 h of being in line.
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Greg Haseloff: and and the people that were ushers there at the doors. Once people made it up the steps and then
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Greg Haseloff: stepped inside the 4 year, and an usher would say, we've got open seats, and we'll we'll lead you to these open seats. We have
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Greg Haseloff: many, many times, people would say, instead of going to our seats, can we go straight to the altar? And so there was just such such, this hunger for
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Greg Haseloff: for kneeling, for going straight to that, to that place where people were kneeling before the Lord, and that
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Greg Haseloff: wherever and however God was meeting people, if it was
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Greg Haseloff: someone you know, given their life to Jesus for the first time, or someone coming in repentance of saying, You know, with Gen. Z.
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Greg Haseloff: There was so much deliverance from anxiety and depression. There was so much freedom from pornography and other addictions.
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Greg Haseloff: But that place of the altar was just this place of like
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Greg Haseloff: Jesus, the peace of Christ, and the love of God is so palpable in hues that i'm
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Greg Haseloff: that i'm going straight to the altar, because I want nothing between me and him, and so that
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Greg Haseloff: that
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Greg Haseloff: that that kind of repentance and that kind of turning toward him, and longing for purity of heart and holiness of life
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Greg Haseloff: was just happening over and over and over with every encounter at the altar.
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Andy Miller III: You you brought the anxiety piece. Now I I think I heard this from Mike Powers. I'm not sure who told me. But there is that. Is there some trouble now on that? This is a good good problem that the counseling center
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Andy Miller III: Supposedly, this is what I had heard is having trouble having interns complete in their hours, because there's not as much need.
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Greg Haseloff: It is, it is true, Andy, that's that is legitimate. And what
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Greg Haseloff: what we know on campus in student life and the counseling center really knows
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Greg Haseloff: is that every February is, it's like the the darker months, and it's just the
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Greg Haseloff: it feels like those presenting issues are very prevalent, and they're kind of they're maximized at that time of winter.
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Greg Haseloff: you know, seasonal, effective disorder, and just a little bit more darkness. So
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Greg Haseloff: there was there. There was a enough of a significant change
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Greg Haseloff: in a drop in clientele that those those students who were doing internships. There were twiddling their thumbs a little bit, and and didn't meet all the hours that they needed to fulfill their requirements.
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Andy Miller III: Wow! I love it. I love it. Okay, I I want to make a pivot to be able to talk about what's happening now like you just got back from a trip. There's some. There's still activity happening overflowing from the outpouring that I guess outpouring is an overflow in itself. But but i'd love to hear about what's happening
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Andy Miller III: now, and it may be all. Yeah, let's just start there. What's it? What's going on now?
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Greg Haseloff: Great Andy, Some of what you were you and I were talking about a little bit is just the significance
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Greg Haseloff: and the way
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Greg Haseloff: ways in which God moved it's impact in so many streams of the body of Christ, and
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Greg Haseloff: people asking for our students to come and share and come, give testimony to how they encountered the Lord and
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Greg Haseloff: all the all the ways in which the spirit was at work.
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Greg Haseloff: So we've had.
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Greg Haseloff: We've had 75 to 80 requests come to us for our students to to come, give testimony. I was shared with you that we just had 4 students that actually travel to London.
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Greg Haseloff: and there was a leadership conference for Alpha International, and so they had a gathering of of 6,000 for their annual leadership conference, and
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Greg Haseloff: our students were able to share and and give testimony
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Greg Haseloff: about how each of their lives were impacted and sharing about what God is doing in in generation Z. Through through the outpouring and in so many other places, so
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Greg Haseloff: that they they had an amazing time in London we were able to experience we're got
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Greg Haseloff: was doing similar stirring and generation Z. There, and and bringing awakening. They. They were at at St. Church
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Greg Haseloff: and in Hackney, one of the the boroughs of London. and the week
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Greg Haseloff: prior to us being there, they had actually seen 70 people come to Faith, and so they had an extended time of of worship 2 nights before we were there, where a a Friday evening worship went all that long.
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Greg Haseloff: just with a hunger, and people that are 20, something very thirsty. And
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Andy Miller III: So one thing I've heard you say I've just observed it in the way that you're talking. It's helpful to me is that when you speak of the revival, the outpouring you actually don't use a definite article. You end up saying.
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Andy Miller III: with outpouring or people reflecting on outpouring, and the and that I may even be more dramatic. But I I like that because it's not just something that is accomplished and completed right. This is there. There are outpourings, and I don't know. Is that intentional on your part?
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Andy Miller III: Well, let me. I know this question is kind of a tough one, but in the sense of like well, I don't really it doesn't matter. I just where God has me now. But what? What's the kind of message for us going forward for the
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Andy Miller III: Christian world as a result of what was I mean? This and some of us other alumni might feel the same way. It's like I used to go around and
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Andy Miller III: say where I went to school and I to go to. I went to Asbury University, Raspberry, Ashbury. Wait. I don't know what you're talking about. But now i'm kind of like, hey I'm i'm the popular guy in in church Sunday School class all of a sudden, like people are. People know know about Asbury, and they've heard of it so. But
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Andy Miller III: the world is aware to a certain degree, of what happened. Where do we go? As a as a Christian community?
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Andy Miller III: Oh, you know that that was a real sense for me of of in. When I've heard the story of conversions or reaffirmations
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Andy Miller III: of people's faith that that there's this sense that man, this is what this spark is what's needed to cause. Now you and I both have been environments, and you've been working in student ministries with 1,500 students for couple of decades now, and so there's a beautiful opportunity you've had to seeing people come into a relationship with Jesus Christ.
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Andy Miller III: and and we want these moments. But to see it happen on such a a mass scale of just the people flocking
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Andy Miller III: to will more or hopefully in other places that happen as well to see that happen. It's like, yeah, you're right. This we need. We need this to be a move of God, and we're thankful whatever we can do to to pray like. I I imagine you still have a
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Andy Miller III: the revival week. It's just but interesting spiritual emphasis, weeks at as very inverse like. We're thankful we want to have those and God uses them. But, man, these special moments
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Greg Haseloff: Tom. And in this moment of an outpouring we experience Jesus so visibly being the answer to to people's heart crimes
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Andy Miller III: awesome. Well, Greg, thanks so much for your time today. It's meant so much to me. Now I always ask the question: is there more to the story of Greg that's usually told. Now you might be tempted to say that you share your backyard neighbors with my file, My parents.
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Andy Miller III: which must be an adventure in itself. But beyond that is there is there more. This story of Greg Hassle off?
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Greg Haseloff: Well, Andy having your dad as a and your mom as backyard neighbors is a great thrill, and that's a new gift of the last couple of years, for sure
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Greg Haseloff: and I came to Jesus, and a campus ministry called the Wesley Foundation at Texas Tech University. So it's a very different trajectory, you know, than the context. I'm getting to work in at a Christian level or at school, and people laugh all the time when I tell them that my undergraduate major was a bachelor of science in animal business. There you go.
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Greg Haseloff: But most other Wesley foundations across the country are in or in predicament kind of during this time of change.
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Greg Haseloff: and come into seminary out of those contexts across the country. But this is a crucial time to be brand for them, for how the Lord would provide for them.
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Andy Miller III: Well, Greg, thanks so much for your leadership. In the midst of outpouring this, this particular outpouring that's continuing, and on the campus of Asbury. It means a lot to me to know you're there, and we, we trust you. We thank God for your leadership. So thanks for coming to on the podcast
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Greg Haseloff: ministry and all your work, it Wesley Biblical.
Well, friends, I am so glad to have a special guest on today. This this is an episode where we're talking through outpouring at Asbury University, and I am a delighted have I, Anna Jones with me? You may not know that you know her of her work. But you probably do, because all over social media in a variety of places. I'm going to hold it up. Her artwork has been shared. Now i'm sad to say, that
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Andy Miller III: me holding this up right now is probably not a good representation, because it doesn't demonstrate the colors as vibrantly as they are displayed here, but the Anna welcome to the podcast.
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Andy Miller III: Well, I I had no idea that I I've reached out to try to. I I saw your piece of art
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Andy Miller III: being shared, somebody took a picture of it from the stage, and, like I think it was sitting on the stage at huge auditorium, and I was so curious of it, and then I saw people start to share it, and then I wanted to use it. As it was, I was having hosting a few podcasts
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Andy Miller III: that we're talking about the revival outpouring and Asbury. And so I emailed you and got permission by no idea. You're a high school student and I I was like, oh, man, so what a treat! What a would you tell me a little bit about how you got? Well, let's let's start with this. How did you get get to
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Iannah Jones: Excuse me. i'm okay with painting and doing art, but like a canvas. That's pretty big, that's going to be of the way. And I say this as i'm walking towards my room to go get the canvas, because I I had a feeling. I I've learned that you know you don't really argue with God. It doesn't work that way. So
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Andy Miller III: All right, let me stop you. So Did you know?
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Andy Miller III: Gotcha. Okay, and I I knew Gcf. Church Great Commission fellowship, just as everybody knows. I knew that back when it used to meet at the when I was a student, as very both as our institutions is in that it was in the camp meeting inside. But now it's across the street from
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Iannah Jones: as great university. Right? It's in. Yes, actually, I believe they opened their doors as a satellite camp like satellite area during the outpouring.
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Iannah Jones: Oh, great, okay, interesting. There, actually. So okay, that helps give a little bit of context for how you would know about. Now, what's interesting, though the reason I ask you on is because some people found out about it, you know, just through random people, and they're complete. I mean, I had friends here in Jackson, Mississippi, who knew about it.
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Andy Miller III: and we're completely unconnected that the institutions so. But it's in. That's interesting. So you were like second day. You were there. Sorry? Sorry I didn't mean to interrupt you too much. So you went in with your canvas. Go ahead.
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Andy Miller III: I know the room. I know the room very well, and and I know the spirit.
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Iannah Jones: Yes, it's really spirit of his love. And so it's kind of a both ways thing as far as what I see in it. And honestly, one of the things that I love about
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Andy Miller III: Yes, yeah, it's so great, and I I do love the windows. I I You know I used to sit by those windows. I had a I had a signed seat behind one of them, and it's it's it's interesting how you have the different colors coming in from the outside, and but the windows are not square.
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Iannah Jones: and I was like Lord, I he! He just kind of. I felt the prompting that I needed to, and I was like. Lord, I will be like spent. And he said, i'll fill you up.
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Iannah Jones: I did some other painting things. I had some other ways that I ministered to people I had, you know, opportunities for people were able to bless me.
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Iannah Jones: and she got so excited, and she said, Wait, and she goes downstairs because Zach, who has been speaking the first person who has been speaking on that Wednesday, and then everything kicked off. He was
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Iannah Jones: And I said, okay. And so he connected me with someone else who works with the chapel and I.
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Iannah Jones: So at some point, though, people like me started bothering you and saying, how can I get a copy of this? I'd like, I'd like this. Yeah. So I imagine I wasn't the only one. But if I was the only one. I'm glad to be the only one.
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Iannah Jones: was just. It impacted so many people and I had lots of people coming up to me, friends of ours, people that I just met me realized I was the one who painted it, and they kept saying the same thing. You need to make prints available.
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Iannah Jones: You need to do postcards somehow. You need to have it on cards. You need to have. You need to have Prince May, and I just kept hearing that over and over again, and I was like, you know what I think. I get the message.
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Iannah Jones: It took probably about 6 weeks, until we had the Prince fully
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Iannah Jones: packaged, and piles of like 150,
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Iannah Jones: and then
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Iannah Jones: now and then we had to buy shipping materials and set up a website.
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Iannah Jones: And now i'm running the small business out of my house. There you go. Wow! Well, i'm a customer. I'm a very satisfied customer. I'll say that, and you have various options, so I have the smallest one kind of a very particular spot there where I want it to go.
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Andy Miller III: but it's also the cheapest, but I mean $15 for this, and you have them. Those bit as much as $50, so I imagine it's pretty big probably is as big as one behind you. I would imagine about that.
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Iannah Jones: It's about this about it
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Iannah Jones: 3 inches total, because all the way around there is a white border. Okay.
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Iannah Jones: yeah, it's
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Andy Miller III: so. You have that, and you have that kind of how's that going? Have you had a ha? Can you tell me about how many you've sold?
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Iannah Jones: We've sold over 60 for sure.
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Iannah Jones: Wow. Great. Yeah.
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Iannah Jones: Yeah. I would have to check the specific numbers, but I know we've we've reached over 60.
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Andy Miller III: Well, I'm hoping my listeners will make double that up. You know that we will get get more, so everybody right now. I'm sure You've already checked it out if you're interested. But you can go to my show notes and you'll find a link
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Andy Miller III: to art by Iana, and that's your website. It's a really nice website, and you know we're really hoping that this will be something that God will bless you with. And you know you use the money as you need to, maybe. Ha! What! What year are you in school?
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Iannah Jones: I am a senior.
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Iannah Jones: I could
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Iannah Jones: hopefully. Hopefully. We can. I I want to be able to use it. to be able to bless more people. And
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Iannah Jones: if
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Iannah Jones: that means that I invest in more schooling for art with it, or I am able to get more supplies. That would be wonderful. But we'll see what's your plans? Are you going to Asbury?
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Iannah Jones: I am definitely considering Asbury right right now, though i'm going to be taking a gap year.
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Iannah Jones: My mom suggested it. She's very wise, so I will
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Iannah Jones: great stick with her with her suggestion. and then
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Iannah Jones: we'll see over. This is art, you think, in arts in the future as a profession. Yeah, this next year I may have some opportunities to do some interning with some artists so.
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Iannah Jones: and maybe some teach.
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Andy Miller III: Well, I I think it would think so. I would hope so. Oliana is such a I I. It's so clear that God is at work on your life, not just through your painting.
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Andy Miller III: but your own testimony, and I know we could have. We could talk for a lot longer, but it means a lot to me that you gave me permission to use your work. I think that God, you guys certainly use it in my life.
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Andy Miller III: And you know those those podcasts and web when I use on my website that image connected people right away. So thank you for that, for being obedient to that voice when you're leaving your house that day and
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Andy Miller III: and all that. Okay, one more last question. I always my podcast called more to stories, so I asked people if there's more to the story of Vianna or more to is there something else? I mean, you're obviously talking a lot about your artwork these days. But is there anything else that's kind of interesting about you that you don't often get a share?
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Iannah Jones: That's a really good question.
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Iannah Jones: They kind of have to think for a second.
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Do you like to go spalking, or something like that, or
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Andy Miller III: hiking? You have like a hobby another hobby besides art. Maybe
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Iannah Jones: I love dancing.
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Iannah Jones: Yeah, I I danced for a long time. For about 10 years. I did ballet
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Iannah Jones: in a semi professional school that was run like a professional school.
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Andy Miller III: Great!
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Iannah Jones: I love it, and I can't stop dancing
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Iannah Jones: as of now. I'm on a hiidus as to professional training.
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Andy Miller III: But
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Iannah Jones: I I dance when I can, and it is certainly a blessing.
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Andy Miller III: Oh, that's my daughter's a dancer. She's in the ballet. Magnificent?
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Andy Miller III: Yeah. Yeah. I own multiple of their DVD performances. Actually. Oh, right, it's a great great Christian program. It's a wonderful day. Yeah.
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Andy Miller III: And then and then obviously, my children also in the art. You, you, my and my kids are home schooled. You have a lot in common. I'd love to get you guys together. Have a conversation. Well, thanks so much, Jana. It means a lot to me. You came on the podcast today, and people go Check out her website. Order this painting. God bless you. Thanks, Iana.
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Iannah Jones: All right. Thank you for having me.